UFO Hunters are idiots!
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Zach-why feed his fire with so much attention? Ignore him. Don't quote him, don't respond. And for your own sake-calm down. Getting that pissed can't be good for your blood pressure!
*heh* I'm NOT pissed. There weren't nearly enough CAPS or swear words in there for me to be pissed.
He *urks* me. Why? Because he's a smug lil M-F who thinks he's a lot smarter than he really is. I suspect he's pretty young though and he's going to learn a lot about the world as he starts to get older. Either he's young or he's at best borderline bright. A lot of young people AND those who are borderline bright are insecure about their "intelligence" and are terrified of looking less than "brilliant" or, GOD-FORBID, if they look GULLIBLE!! They over-compensate and have a tendency to either heckle or proselytize with great vigor. When he's older--or wiser (or older AND wiser)--he won't feel the desperate need to jump up and down and make an ass of himself mocking others to prove HE ain't nobody's fool.
* shrugs *
I believe more strongly in the possibility of ghosts at present than I do in things like UFOs or cryptozoology. I believe there is more immediate evidence to be evaluated for them, and there is also the potential advantage (assuming for the sake of argument that a lot of traditional ghost lore is true) that hauntings are often repetitive events, a sort of echo caused by something. You can go to a location and have a decent idea of what to look for, instead of only having to evaluate the evidence long after the incident took place.
Does that mean I'm less skeptical of ghosts? No. There are plenty of instances where people have been mistaken, or have explained things in supernatural terms because that was the prevailing belief system at the time. There are other cases where people just made shit up to get attention. But beyond that, there are many cases that have been reported for decades or even centuries, and there is the fact that virtually every culture that has ever existed has had very similar ideas about what ghosts are and why they might exist. There's a layer of consistency there that is valuable for seeing whether there's any empirical evidence for ghosts.
And even if we should find that form of solid evidence, it would only answer some of our questions. I don't know whether an authentic ghost is really the remnants of a sentient being or just a sort of an echo of one; the potential evidence suggests that either of those options is possible. The metaphysical questions are a lot harder to answer, but I think it is a very interesting subject.
Checkmate
Commodore
I have a bad habit of considering all of a person's posts in a thread, not just their latest bit of vitriol and self-denial.
He's made it clear in several posts that he's a hardcore believer, even if he's now "limited" that belief to such minor, inconsequential percentages. Just to, you know, prove to all the "skeptics" that he's actually a skeptic, too. If you wanna buy that, so be it.
Nut jobs are nut jobs, period. They're really easy to spot. When someone -- anyone -- doesn't believe whatever hoodoo they believe, they're an uneducated buffoon too young or mentally retarded to understand all the blatant, unquestionable proof that's Out There(tm). Just look at how he's presenting himself as some kind of supergenius extraordinaire right now (complete with Wile E. Coyote's finger waving for emphasis).
Some people don't deserve respect in my opinion. Nut jobs are one of 'em.
^^
Concerning your opinion RE "ghosts", I personally think BOTH possibilities are valid and neither rules out the other. Some may well be "conscious" spirits while others are just echoes, like recordings of past energies.
Erm . . ."hard-core believer" in WHAT exactly? Possibilities? Which are ALL I've advocated. The only "fact" I've presented AS fact and stated as "fact" is that the US government knows MORE about UFOs than it releases on its censored documents. See, that IS true because I VERY much believe SOMEONE KNEW what was being censored when they chose to CENSOR it. I just don't think they blacked out RANDOM sections of text.
ERGO, Einstein, they KNOW more than they released. CASE CLOSED. I never claimed that what was being censored was REVEALING of anything significant and, in fact, specifically stated that I DOUBT they know more than the average person regarding anything RELEVANT or interesting.
Now, a lil challege for you, Mr. Braintrust. Checkmate me here--IF You can. LEarn to use the "quote" function. Learn to use the "cut & paste" function. Run yer clever lil'self BACK through my posts and you PRESENT some examples somewhere that demonstrate me a "hard-core Believer".
C'mon now. Put up or shut up. Let's see ya do it! You made the statement. BACK it up now.
Or STFU.
*whistling* While I wait . . .
I cannot resist a quiz like this. My own answers below:Yes, but Zach -- do you believe in the following?:
1. The Tooth Fairy
2. Santa Claus
3. Gremlins
4. Demons
5. Angels
6. The Mothman
7. The Ogopogo Monster
8. The Firebird
9. El Chupacabra
10. Ghosts
11. Pixies
12. Banshees
13. Leprechans
14. Vampires
15. Werewolves
If I think of something else, I'll let you know...
1. The Tooth Fairy --DOES NOT EXIST
2. Santa Claus--DOES NOT EXIST
3. Gremlins--DO NOT EXIST
4. Demons--DO EXIST. CASES ARE DOCUMENTED.
5. Angels--DO EXIST
6. The Mothman--DID EXIST, PROBABLY AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEING.
7. The Ogopogo Monster--PROBABLY REAL, MORE EVIDENCE NEEDED. POSSIBLY MISIDENTIFIED ANIMAL.
8. The Firebird--NEVER HEARD OF IT
9. El Chupacabra--POSSIBLY REAL, MORE EVIDENCE NEEDED
10. Ghosts--WELL DOCUMENTED. VERY REAL.
11. Pixies--DO NOT EXIST
12. Banshees--IF THEY ARE GHOSTS, PROBABLY REAL.
13. Leprechans--DO NOT EXIST
14. Vampires--DO NOT EXIST
15. Werewolves--DO NOT EXIST
EDIT TO ADD:
16. UFO Occupants--DO EXIST. TOO MANY DOCUMENTED CASES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
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Santa Claus?
Well, I might quibble on this one.
You see Santa Claus in French is Pere Noel (translated: Father Christmas). I'm French Canadian. It just so happens that my father was born on December 25th and my grandfather named him...Noel.
And so for me Pere Noel has always been very real. And in his senior years he has developed just a bit of a roundness about the middle and he stands only 5'-4". He also has a beard that's going whitish grey.
On the downside his laugh is nothing like Ho-ho-ho although it's quite loud. And he can swear a blue streak if his beloved Montreal Canadiens play lousy and particularly if they lose to the hated Toronto Maple Leafs.
All things considered, weellll...
Well, I might quibble on this one.
You see Santa Claus in French is Pere Noel (translated: Father Christmas). I'm French Canadian. It just so happens that my father was born on December 25th and my grandfather named him...Noel.
And so for me Pere Noel has always been very real. And in his senior years he has developed just a bit of a roundness about the middle and he stands only 5'-4". He also has a beard that's going whitish grey.
On the downside his laugh is nothing like Ho-ho-ho although it's quite loud. And he can swear a blue streak if his beloved Montreal Canadiens play lousy and particularly if they lose to the hated Toronto Maple Leafs.
All things considered, weellll...
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OMG...what have I DONE??!! 
I'll go on the record of believing in Angels and Demons...the other stuff -- notsomuch...
Of course I am sure this confession sets ME up for all kinds of scorn and ridicule by the so called "educated, sophisticated and enlightened ones" on this forum.
Well, so be it...
I'll go on the record of believing in Angels and Demons...the other stuff -- notsomuch...
Of course I am sure this confession sets ME up for all kinds of scorn and ridicule by the so called "educated, sophisticated and enlightened ones" on this forum.
Well, so be it...
Checkmate
Commodore
Of course I am sure this confession sets ME up for all kinds of scorn and ridicule by the so called "educated, sophisticated and enlightened ones" on this forum.
Well, so be it...
Nah.
The "scorn" is coming from the crazies who go on about blackened text and all the other bullshit "proof that isn't proof but it is THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE GO EDUCATE YOURSELF" nutjobs.
I'm personally a believer in alien life (though not the regular-visitors-who've-been-coming-here-like-all-the-time-to-kill-our-cattle-and-shove-phallic-objects-up-our-totally-homophobic-asses-but-the-goverment-is-covering-it-up-by-blacking-everything-out-OMG variety) as well as a lot of other supernatural things.
Course, the nutjobs don't care about that. In fact, they never once even assumed one could doubt their undeniable proof while still believing in something. The fanaticism goes that far. Not only do you have to believe, but you have to believe just like them. You'll also note they're the only ones going around touting their own "education, sophistication and enlightment." Just because I, personally, think someone is mentally and/or socially ill, that doesn't make them stupid.
Absolutely nothing wrong with believing in things. But there's shit seriously wrong with the conspiracy freaks. As pointed out by practically every single foaming-at-the-mouth post in this thread alone. Hell, it's almost as entertaining as watching FOX news.
Of course I am sure this confession sets ME up for all kinds of scorn and ridicule by the so called "educated, sophisticated and enlightened ones" on this forum.
Well, so be it...
Nah.
The "scorn" is coming from the crazies who go on about blackened text and all the other bullshit "proof that isn't proof but it is THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE GO EDUCATE YOURSELF" nutjobs.
I'm personally a believer in alien life (though not the regular-visitors-who've-been-coming-here-like-all-the-time-to-kill-our-cattle-and-shove-phallic-objects-up-our-totally-homophobic-asses-but-the-goverment-is-covering-it-up-by-blacking-everything-out-OMG variety) as well as a lot of other supernatural things.
Course, the nutjobs don't care about that. In fact, they never once even assumed one could doubt their undeniable proof while still believing in something. The fanaticism goes that far. Not only do you have to believe, but you have to believe just like them. You'll also note they're the only ones going around touting their own "education, sophistication and enlightment." Just because I, personally, think someone is mentally and/or socially ill, that doesn't make them stupid.
Absolutely nothing wrong with believing in things. But there's shit seriously wrong with the conspiracy freaks. As pointed out by practically every single foaming-at-the-mouth post in this thread alone. Hell, it's almost as entertaining as watching FOX news.
STILL waiting . . .
You DO realize, don't you, that starting with your CONCLUSION and then back-engineering your thinking to support your preconceived ideas while ignoring any new facts or evidence is NOT "reasoning" don't you?
NO one, BTW, has questioned your EDUCATION here. There is an enormous difference between being UNINFORMED on a given subject and generally uneducated. You DO, however, lack sophistication and that is clearly evidenced by your inability to submit a single post that is not drooling adolescent sarcasm and condescension on the average of every alternate sentence. You also seem completely ill-equipped to present any kind of reasoned position or, for that matter, make effective commentary about anything anyone else says save for your snide heckling. Finally, you seem unaware that you're not informed enough on any of the subjects that have been discussed here to have any kind of valid insight. You don't have "opinions" because you've never examined the information. You merely have "attitudes" based on superficial familiarity and what little knowledge you've gathered in passing. Seems hardly a foundation for an "enlightened" thinker, now, does it?
Anyhow, who has been "foaming at the mouth"? Seems only YOU.
Memba this?
Memba this?
No way. Blackened text = aliens. You've convinced me completely. There's no other explanation. NONE. Flat out PROOF that can NOT be denied. If it's blacked out, it has to be an alien conspiracy.
In fact, with a quick search on Google, I've found TONS of alien proof!
http://thenonist.com/images/par.jpg
http://gigaom.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/vz2.JPG
http://bailoutsleuth.com/ui/pwcc1.png
What's even worse is that I have found UNDENIABLE PROOF that they're even using forums/instant messengers to plot and scheme their evil alien plans.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/3718094517_7e39558765.jpg
And here's proof that they use Google in regards to their medical concerns!
http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-health/11.png
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE! Quick! Someone hook me up with a tinfoil hat!!!
Man, aliens are just so super awesomely smart. They can convince anyone and everyone to black out text relating to them (because, naturally, any blackened out text = aliens no matter what), and they have Super Science(tm!) technology that lets them get photographed ALL the time, but it makes it so that every single photo is always blurry! Even if it's taken with bad ass cameras in this high definition age where practically everyone has a self-focusing high quality camera in their pocket.
Aliens are real.
This all proves it.
Time's past, I done the tellin'. I kept it straight fo ya, Capt. Walker! Everything marked, everything 'membered! Now, we's loaded and waitin' Captain. We got the WIND up our ass! Let's go!
(when are you gonna show me where I presented myself as a "hard-core Believer?" C'mon! "Quote" and "cut'n'paste" can't be THAT hard for you, can it?)
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Do not force me to say "Ni!" to you . . . Or you shall be required to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest WIIIIiiiiith . . . a HERRING!
Santa Claus?
Well, I might quibble on this one.
You see Santa Claus in French is Pere Noel (translated: Father Christmas). I'm French Canadian. It just so happens that my father was born on December 25th and my grandfather named him...Noel.
And so for me Pere Noel has always been very real. And in his senior years he has developed just a bit of a roundness about the middle and he stands only 5'-4". He also has a beard that's going whitish grey.
On the downside his laugh is nothing like Ho-ho-ho although it's quite loud. And he can swear a blue streak if his beloved Montreal Canadiens play lousy and particularly if they lose to the hated Toronto Maple Leafs.
All things considered, weellll...
That's kinda similar to what I was thinking. The Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus do exist. What's truly remarkable about all of them is that they bear more than a passing resemblance to my mother and father. Of course, as a child, they looked a lot more like the stereotypical images but as you grow and age things change in your perspective. I think we can all agree on that.
I liked that description of ghosts-echoes of once-living people. Many ghost stories that have multiple witnesses talk about the ghost going through the same motions, like the ghostly carriage that rides past one of the English castles over and over, night after night. Perhaps an electronic matrix caught in a magnetic field within a limited area? Who knows.
The bottom line is look at the evidence, check the credibility of eyewitnesses and dig deep on the research end to get past the layers of urban myth. Then see what is there-and make up your own mind. It doesn't matter if anyone else believes what you believe-which seems to be the heart of the argument here. Pushing beliefs-or lack thereof- on others. Stop. Bad, not good. When the Born Again Christians come to my house I run them off-not because I think their message is wrong but because they won't leave me alone and respect MY beliefs-they want to push it in my face. *lifts middle finger* Wrong thinking, there.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
I cannot resist a quiz like this. My own answers below:Yes, but Zach -- do you believe in the following?:
1. The Tooth Fairy
2. Santa Claus
3. Gremlins
4. Demons
5. Angels
6. The Mothman
7. The Ogopogo Monster
8. The Firebird
9. El Chupacabra
10. Ghosts
11. Pixies
12. Banshees
13. Leprechans
14. Vampires
15. Werewolves
If I think of something else, I'll let you know...
1. The Tooth Fairy --DOES NOT EXIST
2. Santa Claus--DOES NOT EXIST
3. Gremlins--DO NOT EXIST
4. Demons--DO EXIST. CASES ARE DOCUMENTED.
5. Angels--DO EXIST
6. The Mothman--DID EXIST, PROBABLY AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEING.
7. The Ogopogo Monster--PROBABLY REAL, MORE EVIDENCE NEEDED. POSSIBLY MISIDENTIFIED ANIMAL.
8. The Firebird--NEVER HEARD OF IT
9. El Chupacabra--POSSIBLY REAL, MORE EVIDENCE NEEDED
10. Ghosts--WELL DOCUMENTED. VERY REAL.
11. Pixies--DO NOT EXIST
12. Banshees--IF THEY ARE GHOSTS, PROBABLY REAL.
13. Leprechans--DO NOT EXIST
14. Vampires--DO NOT EXIST
15. Werewolves--DO NOT EXIST
EDIT TO ADD:
16. UFO Occupants--DO EXIST. TOO MANY DOCUMENTED CASES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Ok, now after reading that frightening list, please allow me to tell you something you may need to know: I'm 100% sure of STAR TREK IS NOT REAL.
I cannot resist a quiz like this. My own answers below:Yes, but Zach -- do you believe in the following?:
1. The Tooth Fairy
2. Santa Claus
3. Gremlins
4. Demons
5. Angels
6. The Mothman
7. The Ogopogo Monster
8. The Firebird
9. El Chupacabra
10. Ghosts
11. Pixies
12. Banshees
13. Leprechans
14. Vampires
15. Werewolves
If I think of something else, I'll let you know...
1. The Tooth Fairy --DOES NOT EXIST
2. Santa Claus--DOES NOT EXIST
3. Gremlins--DO NOT EXIST
4. Demons--DO EXIST. CASES ARE DOCUMENTED.
5. Angels--DO EXIST
6. The Mothman--DID EXIST, PROBABLY AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEING.
7. The Ogopogo Monster--PROBABLY REAL, MORE EVIDENCE NEEDED. POSSIBLY MISIDENTIFIED ANIMAL.
8. The Firebird--NEVER HEARD OF IT
9. El Chupacabra--POSSIBLY REAL, MORE EVIDENCE NEEDED
10. Ghosts--WELL DOCUMENTED. VERY REAL.
11. Pixies--DO NOT EXIST
12. Banshees--IF THEY ARE GHOSTS, PROBABLY REAL.
13. Leprechans--DO NOT EXIST
14. Vampires--DO NOT EXIST
15. Werewolves--DO NOT EXIST
EDIT TO ADD:
16. UFO Occupants--DO EXIST. TOO MANY DOCUMENTED CASES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Ok, now after reading that frightening list, please allow me to tell you something you may need to know: I'm 100% sure of STAR TREK IS NOT REAL.
TOS is real...the rest?
Notsomuch...
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
^^ Agreed!
You lie!
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