U.S.S. TITAN -- THE WINNER!

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Posted by Kevin Dilmore:
I hope I never live to see the day when someone's accomplishments in the Star Trek world are met with universal acclaim.

It surely would be a sign of the f***ing apocalypse...

Amen.

Ya know, lookin' at it some more, I realized that the warp nacelles are tilted. It reminds me of the way Voyager's nacelles folded up to go to warp. And, of course, Voyager came out after TNG 'Force of Nature' episode.

So, the Titan design incorporates the idea of perserving space from the disaster that is warp drive.

Cool. :thumbsup:

 

[Guest]

Congratulations on winning the Titan contest Sean. I couldn't help but notice that the design looks similar to Voyager. Was this done on purpose?

 

[ncc71877]

Yes, Congrats Sean. Well done, I like the design alot. I look forward to seeing it in all it's CGI glory.

I sent in an entry, made it with mspaint so it's a little crude, and as I look at it now not very original at all. Oh well, at least I tried, right.

ncc71877
Edit for spellin', aint good at it. No sir.

 

[foravalon]

I can't wait to see a more dynamic 3D mesh of this ship! Will the cover of Titan Bk 4 be something pretty like this, ala the Vangaurd Harbinger cover?

 

[captcalhoun]

i worked out why it looks familiar...

conjectural design for the Andromeda class at the Neutral Zone website...

 

[elaithin]

In the respect that the Ambassador Class is similar to the Galaxy, I could kind of see that.

But then, there's only so many ways to arrange a saucer, and engineering hull, and two nacelles.

I admit - i don't like it from the side view, but i think it's the kind of design that'll grow on me and look outstanding in perspective shots. The nacelles from the side look slightly strange, but it looks great in all the other angles. This is a ship that'll really come into it's own when people start modeling it - and they will - and we start seeing some gorgeous artwork with it.

 

[Emissary of the Prophets]

I hope Sean's name appears on the dedication plaque!

 

[Timo]

From the treknological point of view, why would a ship specializing in deep space assignments carry a swappable module?

Such a thing makes sense for short-range vessels of compact size, yes. And perhaps also for local-action ships of immense size, like the Nebula. It's not like the Titan would get the opportunity to swap the said module out there, though... Jettison it, perhaps. But Starfleet would probably frown on that.

That said, it's a good ship. Perhaps a little rough on the edges (Literally! The saucer could use some sandpapering so that it doesn't look like a low-poly computer game ship), but delightfully "undergeekish" in comparison with what could have been.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Trek]

Ooo. I like and it's actually very similar to how I pictured the Titanwhen reading "Taking Wing" (although admitedly I pictured the nacells sweeping up instead of down).

That's a very nice, very original desgin and I don't think that it's any more derivative than any other starfleet ship I've ever seen, fan or official.

Like the Sovereign, the irregular shape stardrive and saucer are going to be a b***h to model though.

 

[Christopher]

Posted by Timo:
From the treknological point of view, why would a ship specializing in deep space assignments carry a swappable module?

Why assume it's swappable? It's a sensor pod. The Luna class has the most advanced, powerful, state-of-the-art sensors in Starfleet. Presumably it's at a remove from the ship so as to diminish interference from the ship's power, gravity field, etc. and allow purer readings.

(Literally! The saucer could use some sandpapering so that it doesn't look like a low-poly computer game ship)

Keep in mind it was supposedly designed by an Efrosian, not a human. Their sense of aesthetics may be different. The somewhat polygonal quality to the hull shape (and the rear section in profile) was off-putting to me at first, but once I looked at it in that light, it worked better for me.

 

[Marco Palmieri]

Posted by Edward Jellico:
I'm just wondering, all the Luna class ships have had Sol moon names. Will any of the moons in other systems be used?

We've established that there are only twelve so far, and they've all been named. If we establish that more are built, it's certainly possible that the Skunkworks would need to look outside Sol system for names.

Of course, since very few natural extrasolar satellites with names have been established in the ST universe, we'd end up having to invent them. That's not necesarily a bad thing, but the relevance of the names would be lost without writing an explanation into whatever story they were referenced, and that would probably end up feeling forced.

Posted by Blip:
1) Re-use of the Akira nacelles.

If you make a side-by-side comparison, I think you'll see that although they share a few design elements, it can't truthfully be called a re-use.

3) Why is the pod there? If it's an extra sensor suite then sobeit, but is it necessary to stick torpedo launchers up there when elsewhere on the hull would suffice?

They aren't torpedo launchers. They're dedicated probe launchers.

4) The leading edge of the saucer section is a little... bulky. Why so thick for a ship of this size?

Why not?

There you have it, a breakdown of the basic issues as far as I'm concerned. Others may have different views, I for one would like to hear them - preferably more in more constructive terms than petty bashing or emotive gushing!

Seconded!

Posted by Emissary of the Prophets:
I hope Sean's name appears on the dedication plaque!

If we ever have occasion to design one fully, I'll make sure of it. Unfortunately the last chapter of The Red King was finalized before the contest even started.

Posted by Timo:
From the treknological point of view, why would a ship specializing in deep space assignments carry a swappable module?

Just off the top of my head...it would certainly make a future upgrade much easier and faster. (That's assuming it is swappable. Is there any reason to think that it must be?)

 

[Titan Designer]

Hi there all.  I did the designs for the Titan, and here are a few coments
to everybody concerning the Senor Package on the Rollbar.
1.  I designed the Package to be like the AWAC airplanes that the Airforce and Navy Use.
2. Having the Senor Package away from the main hull leaves room for the extra science labs
and the special needs that a varied specied crew may need.
3. The Titan is supossed to be a test bed for new Technology so it may also need the extra space
within the main hull for that Technology.
4.  How do we know that the pod has crew in it.  It could be automated?  That
is how I thought of it when I put it seperate from the main hull.
5. The Launchers on the top are for Probs.

As for the Titan looking like many ships from starfleets' past, Yeah I has a few elements.
I always loved the Reliant and variants of Her Class.  I also put a little of the Excelsior into
the front view of the ship.


I will add more later.



Sean Tourangeau
Titan Designer
http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com

 

[fleetcaptain]

I see now. Well in Taking Wing, they did mention using new sensors and thats a good way of putting in the pod, since it is after all an explorer. I can see where you mention the AWAC design to the pod though. At least it doesn't look like a flying saucer.

 

[Captain X]

Nifty (if a tad derivitive).

Agreed, it essentially looks like a Sovereign/Akira kitbash. Not to bash the aritist, because it really is a great drawing, but I just generally find the design to be uninspiring an unasthetic. The huge nacelles without a larger primary hull gives it something of an unbalanced look, particuliarly from the side, and being flush with the bottom of the secondary hull gives it a runabout vibe and blocks off the view of the tratiional undercut in the hull. The Akria-esque catamarans seem to be a tad... unnecessary, other than to echo the Akira of course, simply because they don't seem to serve much of a purpose as they do on the Akira herself of the NX. They hold up the pod, but regular pylons could have done the trick, and truth be told a pod on the saucer section on that just doesn't quite look right to me, not as at home like the triangular pod on the Nebula or the pod on the Miranda. The shuttle "runway" doesn't make much engineering sense to me either, as these aren't F-14's screaming in for a landing, and shuttles don't even have wheels, so it's a little pointless unless they want to set down outside the shuttlebay, but even then something more like the Intrepid's much shorter deck would be better suited unless you want a whole squadron out there or something. Either way it's valuable space you could have had for the shuttlebay itself and for shuttle storage, as well as crew space that you no longer have.

To be fair though, it isn't a really "bad" design, just that it's not really all that great either, more "standard issue" Starfleet than pretty much every other canon design. I just don't really much care for it as you can probably tell.

 

[Praetor]

Posted by Captain X:

Nifty (if a tad derivitive).

Agreed, it essentially looks like a Sovereign/Akira kitbash. Not to bash the aritist, because it really is a great drawing, but I just generally find the design to be uninspiring an unasthetic. The huge nacelles without a larger primary hull gives it something of an unbalanced look, particuliarly from the side, and being flush with the bottom of the secondary hull gives it a runabout vibe and blocks off the view of the tratiional undercut in the hull. The Akria-esque catamarans seem to be a tad... unnecessary, other than to echo the Akira of course, simply because they don't seem to serve much of a purpose as they do on the Akira herself of the NX. They hold up the pod, but regular pylons could have done the trick, and truth be told a pod on the saucer section on that just doesn't quite look right to me, not as at home like the triangular pod on the Nebula or the pod on the Miranda. The shuttle "runway" doesn't make much engineering sense to me either, as these aren't F-14's screaming in for a landing, and shuttles don't even have wheels, so it's a little pointless unless they want to set down outside the shuttlebay, but even then something more like the Intrepid's much shorter deck would be better suited unless you want a whole squadron out there or something. Either way it's valuable space you could have had for the shuttlebay itself and for shuttle storage, as well as crew space that you no longer have.

To be fair though, it isn't a really "bad" design, just that it's not really all that great either, more "standard issue" Starfleet than pretty much every other canon design. I just don't really much care for it as you can probably tell.

I have to agree with all of that, X.

 

[JAG]

Posted by Titan Designer:
Hi there all.  I did the designs for the Titan, and here are a few coments
to everybody concerning the Senor Package on the Rollbar.
1.  I designed the Package to be like the AWAC airplanes that the Airforce and Navy Use.
2. Having the Senor Package away from the main hull leaves room for the extra science labs
and the special needs that a varied specied crew may need.
3. The Titan is supossed to be a test bed for new Technology so it may also need the extra space
within the main hull for that Technology.
4.  How do we know that the pod has crew in it.  It could be automated?  That
is how I thought of it when I put it seperate from the main hull.
5. The Launchers on the top are for Probs.

As for the Titan looking like many ships from starfleets' past, Yeah I has a few elements.
I always loved the Reliant and variants of Her Class.  I also put a little of the Excelsior into
the front view of the ship.


I will add more later.



Sean Tourangeau
Titan Designer
http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com

Welcome to the TrekBBS and congratulations. You should be proud of yourself.

 

[Titan Designer]

The Akria-esque catamarans seem to be a tad... unnecessary, other than to echo the Akira of course, simply because they don't seem to serve much of a purpose as they do on the Akira herself of the NX

I put the Catamarans there to protect the Bridge. I have never liked how easy of a target that the bridge seems to be. so I incorporated the that into the
saucer.

The shuttle "runway" doesn't make much engineering sense to me either, as these aren't F-14's screaming in for a landing, and shuttles don't even have wheels, so it's a little pointless unless they want to set down outside the shuttlebay, but even then something more like the Intrepid's much shorter deck would be better suited unless you want a whole squadron out there or something

If you notice the primary hull now protects the shuttle bay hanger from enemy fire. I added strips as guides for the shuttles on there way in. Not necessarily for long take offs.

Also i had in mind that while in space dock a clap like arm could extend
around and cover the back of the ship so that star bases could do the re supply directly through the shuttle bay.


I thought of different ways of protecting parts of the ship in battle, that seemed to me a easy targets.


Sean
http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com

 

[Blip]

Posted by Titan Designer:
Also i had in mind that while in space dock a clap like arm could extend
around and cover the back of the ship so that star bases could do the re supply directly through the shuttle bay.

Now this is a good idea, though it doesn't necessarily follow that the "runway" need to be there, unless the cargo is being loaded on trollies down a long ramp and you wanted to give the users breaking (or acceleration!) room! I like the look of the runway though, and to be fair there are far more illogical, pointless design features on both the Ent-E and the Akiraprise.

 

[trampledamage]

I know diddly-squat about engineering or starships, but I think it looks pretty. Congratulations Sean

 

[Captain X]

Posted by Titan Designer:
I put the Catamarans there to protect the Bridge. I have never liked how easy of a target that the bridge seems to be. so I incorporated the that into the
saucer.

This does help explain it somewhat, but you are only protected from two sides. I think you're pretty screwed if your shields fail in a fight anyway, at least based on what we've seen in previous series and movies.

If you notice the primary hull now protects the shuttle bay hanger from enemy fire. I added strips as guides for the shuttles on there way in. Not necessarily for long take offs.

Same issue as with the bridge, you're only protected from the sides and the position you're vulveranle from seems to also be a gap in your firing arc.

Also i had in mind that while in space dock a clap like arm could extend
around and cover the back of the ship so that star bases could do the re supply directly through the shuttle bay.

Like the one the E-E used at the end of NEM. I could see that, but it also suggests that there'd have to be a specialized end for it because of its unique configuration.

I thought of different ways of protecting parts of the ship in battle, that seemed to me a easy targets.

Fair enough, and I apologize if I offend. Your design got chosen, so any arguement is pretty moot anyway, just laying out the issues I saw with the design.