TWOK cut scenes excerpts...

[guardian]

The full Romulan Heritage dialogue.......
KIRK
(solemn)
It had the virtue of never having
been tried.

{ SPOCK
Yours was not a solution which
would have occurred to a Vulcan
mentality.

KIRK
So you said at the time. Speaking
of which, your protégé's first
rare -- a trifle emotional --

SPOCK
She's half Romulan, Jim. The
admixture makes her more volatile
than -- me, for example.

KIRK
Than you. Yes, I see that. } By the way, thank you for this.

More from the Carol/David intro................


TERRELL
(eager)
You bet, doctor. We're on our way!

Carol sighs as the image fades, not happy.

10 INT. CORRIDOR, SPACE STATION REGULA I 10

{ Carol walks through the labyrinthine complex with
DAVID, her son, a bright young scientist of twenty.
He is good looking and humorous.

DAVID
How can you let them pull that
stuff on you? They're just lazy.

CAROL
And bored. I know. But maybe it
IS something they can...

DAVID
Come on, Mother, that's just the
military mentality. Never put off
tomorrow what you can put off today.
If there's one atom of life...

CAROL
I know, I know...

Silence. }

DAVID
Well, don't have kittens.
Genesis is going to work.

Chekov and Terrell find the child..........

18 ANGLE - THEIR POV 18

A RUINED SERIES OF MAN-MADE STRUCTURES, half buried in
sand. They look at each other in consternation. Chekov
is worried; something about all this is familiar.

They descend towards the structures, now seen to be the
wreckage of some sort of space craft.

They pass but do not notice the FEDERATION LOGO, half
buried next to their feet.

TERRELL
They look like cargo carriers...

{ As Chekov looks at the porthole, a face suddenly looks
back! It is the face of a CHILD! The Apparition
scares the daylights out of Chekov -- and us. He
screams.

TERRELL
(continuing)
What is it?

He comes clumsily over --

CHEKOV
A face! I saw -- it was like a
child --

He points. The porthole is empty.

TERRELL
You're crazy -- !

CHEKOV
I saw it -- !

TERRELL
There's an air-lock. }

He points and they go into the airlock.

19 INT. CARGO HOLD 19

Terrell and Chekov enter, dumbfounded. THEIR POV.
Someone lives here -- there are beds, food, all jury-
rigged -- but no people. { Terrell checks a monitor.

TERRELL
There's breathable atmosphere in here. }

He takes off his helmet; Chekov likewise.

TERRELL
(continuing)
What the hell is this? Did they
crash? Where's the rest of the
ship?

They wander as they talk, picking up objects that be-
speak a fairly sophisticated ad hoc environment: a
laboratory in one hold; a kitchen; A LARGE SAND TANK
filled with disgusting CETI EELS.

{ ABRUPTLY A SOUND -- They start: CHILD'S GURGLE.

CHEKOV
(terrified)
I told you! I told you I saw a --

TERRELL
Ssssh! }

They start looking. They enter a new chamber --


Khan mentions marla by name.......

On earth, two hundred
years ago, I was a prince, with power
over millions -- { now, like Prometheus
I have been left by Admiral Kirk to
digest my own entrails. }

CHEKOV
Captain Kirk was your host! You repaid
his hospitality by trying to steal his
ship and murder him.

{ KHAN
(moves closer)
And I'll wager he never told you
about his shipmate, the beautiful
and courageous Lieutenant McGiver,
who gave up everything to join me
in exile. OUT OF LOVE. And see how
Admiral Kirk requited her devotion --
She's dead as earth!

The wind howls in the silence. When Khan turns, his
eyes are filled with tears.

KHAN
(continuing)
A plague upon you all. }

He recovers his poise and returns to them --

KHAN
(continuing)
You didn't expect to find me.
You thought this was Ceti Alpha six!


I've got more if people want to read them.

 

[ScatmanRescueMe]

I really wish they had left in the Romulan bit and the Marla stuff. I like the more direct tying of the episode to the movie than just 'my wife'

What were they afraid of? Casual fans saying 'who is she?'
It's explained very well in the dialogue 'your shipmate the brave Lt McgGivers.......who joined me in exile."

And I know they cut the line about Prometheus because they felt the audience would go 'who is Prometheus'

Never give the audience has any credit for previous knowledge.

By the way, 'Yes more please'--I lost my script years ago.

 

[Haytil]

I really wish they had left in the Romulan bit and the Marla stuff. I like the more direct tying of the episode to the movie than just 'my wife'

What were they afraid of? Casual fans saying 'who is she?'
It's explained very well in the dialogue 'your shipmate the brave Lt McgGivers.......who joined me in exile."

And I know they cut the line about Prometheus because they felt the audience would go 'who is Prometheus'

Never give the audience has any credit for previous knowledge.

I don't know. I think it's just too wordy. I bet that's why they cut that out (as well as several of the other cuts) - sometimes you just have to cut out a little bit of extra miscellaneous information for the sake of pacing.

Also, I find name-dropping confusing if the name isn't ever brought up again. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Plus, I think that bit of dialogue lends more an air of sadness to Khan's words and feelings - but I like the fact that he's all rage and anger. Sadness would mute that a bit, I think.

 

[dave_R_treker]

I wish they had left it in as well. Too many times they cut scenes just so they can cut it into a specific time amount. It has nothing to do wheather or not it looks good.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I wish they had left it in as well. Too many times they cut scenes just so they can cut it into a specific time amount. It has nothing to do wheather or not it looks good.

And it is a fine line...too much talk can slow the pacing...I think ALIENS deleted scenes totally make that movie feel bloated to me..didn't need them...TWOK had great pacing...

Rob
Scorpio

 

[guardian]

TWOK script excerpts Part 2

Not a ton of response for the first one, but I'll try one more batch............

I bracketed the cut stuff...

A little bit at the end of the eel sequence/the entirely cut scene of Terrell tricking Beach into taking up 'guest's and the infamous Sulu promotion scene (they looped in replacement lines in the Sulu promotion scene after decinding to cut it. "I hate inspections" rather than, "I really must thank you" ETC.)



CHEKOV
Khan, listen to me! Captain Kirk
was only doing his duty! You --

26 CLOSE UP - KHAN - CAMERA IN 26

KHAN
{ There is some pain at first, I am
told, and then the effects are quite
benign -- until the end. That was
what I learned from watching my wife. }

At a sign, the helmets are slammed down. As the muffled
shrieks are heard from within, the eels crawl across
the faces of Chekov and Terrell; with unerring in-
stincts they head for the ears of the two hapless men.
There is some atrocious pain as they enter -- then
dazed calm.

KHAN
(continuing)
That's better! Now: tell me why
you are here -- and tell me where I
may find James Kirk.

27 INT. RELIANT BRIDGE 27

KYLE
{ Captain Terrell. Captain Terrell...
This is Reliant; please respond.

No answer -- Beach makes up his mind --

BEACH
Mr. Kyle, muster a landing party
with full arms. Alert the
transporter room. We're beaming
down.

He heads for the door but is stopped by:

TERRELL'S VOICE
(filtered)
Reliant, this is Terrell. Respond
please.

BEACH
This is Reliant. Clark, are you
all right?

Fractional pause.

TERRELL'S VOICE
(filtered)
Everything's fine, commander. I'll
explain when I see you. Oh, by the
way, we're bringing several guests
aboard. Prepare to beam up on my
next signal. Terrell out.

Beach and Kyle look at each other.

KYLE
Guests?

BEACH
Maybe we ARE transplanting something. }

28 EXT. ORBITING SPACE DOCK AREA - TERRA (FEATURE STOCK) 28

A SPACE SHUTTLE moving toward us.

29 INT. SPACE SHUTTLE 29

A new composite. Bones, Sulu, Uhura and Kirk -- who
sits, reading. Through the windows we can see the
approach to the starship ENTERPRISE. Kirk looks up,
nods. Sulu activates a comm button.

SULU
Enterprise, this is Admiral Kirk's
party on final approach.

ENTERPRISE VOICE
(filtered)
Enterprise welcomes you. Prepare
for docking.

Kirk looks up from his book as Sulu sits next to him.

KIRK
{ I really must thank you. }

SULU
(embarrassed)
I am delighted; any chance to go
aboard Enterprise, { however briefly,
is always an excuse for nostalgia.

KIRK
I cut your new orders personally. By
the end of the month, you'll have your
first command: USS EXCELSIOR.

SULU
Thank you, sir. I've looked
forward to this for a long time.

KIRK
You've earned it. } But I'm still
grateful to have you at the helm
for three weeks. I don't believe
these kids can steer.

Sulu laughs.

30 EXT. SPOCE DOCK - TERRA (FEATURE

The full Saavik/Spock post-inspection dialouge (filmed in English and looped into 'Vulcan')
Kirk and party leave. CAMERA PUSHES IN ON SPOCK AND
SAAVIK.

SAAVIK
He's not what I expected, Sir.

SPOCK
What did you expect, Lieutenant?

SAAVIK
(uncertain)
He's very human.

SPOCK
We can't all be perfect, { Saavik.
You must control your prejudices
and remember that as a Vulcan as
well as a Romulan you are forever
a stranger in an alien land.
Around you are humans, and as a
member of the Starfleet you are
unlikely ever to escape their
presence or their influence.
You must learn to tolerance in addition
to all else I have taught you.
Tolerance is logical.

Saavik is humbled.

SAAVIK
As always, my mentor. }

33 INT. ENTERPRISE ENGINE ROOM - LOOKING DOWN 33



Khan's first scene on reliant.....................

{ 45 INT. RELIANT BRIDGE 45

Khan occupies the Captain's chair. We PULL BACK: the
crew of the RELIANT has been replaced by Khan's fol-
lowers in their odd-looking clothes.

At the helm is Joachim, Khan's lieutenant. He is in the
largest and brightest of Khan's group. Terrell sits in
the First Officer's chair, Chekov at the Comm Console.
Their behavior is normal, save for subtle hesitation,
symptoms of their mind-controlled state.

JOACHIM
Steady on course. All systems normal.

KHAN
It's not much different from
Enterprise.
(beat)
When I was a guest aboard her some
years ago, Captain Kirk kindly allowed
me to memorize her technical manuals.
And now, Mr. Chekov, let us review:
You say you have no details of
Project 'Genesis' ?

CHEKOV
Beyond what I told you, sir, it is
classified information.

KHAN
Umm. And would Admiral Kirk have
access to such information?

CHEKOV
I would think so, sir. He's on the
Fleet General Staff.

KHAN
Then to whom do you report directly
regarding Genesis?

CHEKOV
To Doctor Marcus, the civilian
director of the experiments on Space
Laboratory Regula I.

KHAN
(thinks)
I see. } Helmsman?





I'd be interested in opinions of the content of the cut stuuf rather than just comments about pacing.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Re: TWOK script excerpts Part 2

There wasn't really a need to start a second thread, so I went ahead and merged the two.

 

[guardian]

^Thanks, I've got more, but I know they're long and I don't know how many I'm allowed to add.

I'll wait a couple of days for responses (if any) to these before adding more. And I'll just add them to this existing thread.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The full Romulan Heritage dialogue.......
KIRK
(solemn)
It had the virtue of never having
been tried.

{ SPOCK
Yours was not a solution which
would have occurred to a Vulcan
mentality.

KIRK
So you said at the time. Speaking
of which, your protégé's first
rare -- a trifle emotional --

SPOCK
She's half Romulan, Jim. The
admixture makes her more volatile
than -- me, for example.

KIRK
Than you. Yes, I see that. } By the way, thank you for this.

The bold is my emphasis. It seems to imply that Spock was present at the Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test and that they may have known each other at the Academy or at Command College. It's especially interesting consider that according to rumors at Trekmovie. SPOILER WARNING: http://trekmovie.com/2007/12/31/tyler-perry-to-appear-in-star-trek/

 

[Data Holmes]

I'm liking this stuff. I can understand why some of it was cut, but I still think the stuff about Saavik's romulan heritage should have been left in.

I await the next batch.

 

[FalTorPan]

I wish the Romulan heritage scene had remained in the film, too... but I hate their use of the word "admixture" in the script. I don't consider myself stupid, but I had never heard of that word until I read it in the script excerpts in this thread. I've watched this scene before, and until reading this thread, I had wondered why Nimoy chose to pronounce "odd mixture" in such an odd way.

 

[Data Holmes]

I wish the Romulan heritage scene had remained in the film, too... but I hate their use of the word "admixture" in the script. I don't consider myself stupid, but I had never heard of that word until I read it in the script excerpts in this thread. I've watched this scene before, and until reading this thread, I had wondered why Nimoy chose to pronounce "odd mixture" in such an odd way.

Funny, I never had a problem with the use of that word.

 

[Unicron]

Meh, I'm glad the Romulan heritage wasn't kept.

 

[Nebusj]

Meh, I'm glad the Romulan heritage wasn't kept.

Yeah. I didn't realize it was so clumsily introduced. Granted the Original Series seemed sometimes to be in short expository dashes to make sure everyone knew Spock was half-Vulcan, but this read like a particularly unnatural way to have characters happen to mention Saavik's heritage.

Also I question whether a Vulcan wouldn't be likely to think of Kirk's solution. What's logic for if not finding ways around established rules?

 

[David cgc]

KIRK
(solemn)
It had the virtue of never having
been tried.

{ SPOCK
Yours was not a solution which
would have occurred to a Vulcan
mentality.

KIRK
So you said at the time.

The bold is my emphasis. It seems to imply that Spock was present at the Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test and that they may have known each other at the Academy or at Command College. It's especially interesting consider that according to rumors at Trekmovie. SPOILER WARNING: http://trekmovie.com/2007/12/31/tyler-perry-to-appear-in-star-trek/

I caught that, too. I found it interesting, given that the general assumption is that Kirk and Spock met on the Enterprise, and that they were only ever said to have known each other in the Academy if someone was doing an academy story (be it one of those young-adult novels, the most recent entry into the Shatnerverse, the Bennet prequel idea, and now Trek XI. I'm surprised that the idea was ever used just as background, and not out of dramatic necessity.

 

[Data Holmes]

KIRK
(solemn)
It had the virtue of never having
been tried.

{ SPOCK
Yours was not a solution which
would have occurred to a Vulcan
mentality.

KIRK
So you said at the time.

The bold is my emphasis. It seems to imply that Spock was present at the Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test and that they may have known each other at the Academy or at Command College. It's especially interesting consider that according to rumors at Trekmovie. SPOILER WARNING: http://trekmovie.com/2007/12/31/tyler-perry-to-appear-in-star-trek/

I caught that, too. I found it interesting, given that the general assumption is that Kirk and Spock met on the Enterprise, and that they were only ever said to have known each other in the Academy if someone was doing an academy story (be it one of those young-adult novels, the most recent entry into the Shatnerverse, the Bennet prequel idea, and now Trek XI. I'm surprised that the idea was ever used just as background, and not out of dramatic necessity.

I always wondered if Spock might not have been a senior midshipman or junior instructor at the academy, and that their time together had something to do with the KM test. It was a center piece linking the entire story together that seems to get lost to subtlety.

It's a marked distinction of all Meyer's trek films. In TWOK there is the point of family, there is the point about the past and how it guids us... But there is a lot of subtle interaction between Kirk and Spock in it, and it revovled a lot around the KM test, Regulations, and Saavik/the cadets.

Spock was her/their mentor, and seemed to be kirks at the same time.

And that last interaction between Kirk and Spock. About how Spock never took the KM test untill then. There was something more there, the words didn't mean what they actually were. Spock was telling Kirk something, and I think that it was that he cheated. That he found a way to beat the test, and that he finally understood what Kirk did back at the academy, and it took that moment for him to realize it...


That or it's late, I'm tired, and I'm waxing Poetic.

 

[ClayinCA]

And I know they cut the line about Prometheus because they felt the audience would go 'who is Prometheus'

Never give the audience has any credit for previous knowledge.

Well, this is the director/screenwriter who titled a Star Trek movie with a Shakespearean quote (twice!) that very few of the movie-going public were likely to identify or understand immediately. Also, The Wrath of Khan is a movie that contains references, oblique and otherwise, to King Lear, Moby-Dick, and A Tale of Two Cities, so I doubt seriously whether a single reference to Prometheus would have been discounted for any perceived cultural ignorance on the part of the audience.

 

[guardian]

Part Three..................



Pointless adendum to the Kirk/Spock cabin scene...........

SPOCK

You are my superior officer. You
are also my friend. I have been
and always shall be yours.

Kirk is moved. He starts to speak, can't -- finally:

KIRK
{ Will you accompany me to the bridge?

SPOCK
I'd best talk with Mr. Scott, first
so that he may, in his own words,
explain the situation to his cadets. }

Kirk's face tells us the wisdom of Spock's choice.

Khan chewing the scenery during the parlay.........



KIRK
(continuing; dumbfounded)
Khan!

SAAVIK
{ Who? }

KHAN
You still remember, Admiral. I
cannot help but be touched. Of
course, I remember you.

KIRK
What is the meaning of this attack?
Where is the crew of the Reliant?

KHAN
Surely I have made my meaning plain.
I mean to avenge myself upon you,
Admiral. I've deprived your ship of
power and when I swing round I mean
to deprive you of your life --

88 EXT. SPACE 88

We can see Reliant making a large arc as she prepares to
come back for another round.

89 INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE 89

KHAN
(on screen)
-- But I wanted you to know first
who it was who had beaten you: { I,
Khan Noonian Singh, the eagle you
attempted to cage forever. }

KIRK
Khan, listen to me -- if its me you
want, I'll have myself beamed aboard.
All I ask is that you spare my crew.

KHAN
{ That is a most intriguing offer.
Typical, I must say of your sterling
character. Let me think. }

90 EXT. SPACE 90

Reliant continues her slow arc.

91 INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE 91

KHAN
(on screen)
I make you a counter-proposal........................


More from the Terrell/Chekov discovery scene (McCoy knows Terrell)


Saavik's tricorder hums furiously.
a locker of some other place, this time
they -- "open the door." The limp bodies of Chekov and
Terrell fall out.

UHURA'S VOICE
(on screen)
Admiral Kirk, Enterprise. Come in,
please. Come in please.

She will continue sporadically.

KIRK
My God!

Chekov emits a live, reassuring moan.

BONES
{ That's Clark Terrell, Jim, I've
served with him.

Bones is passing his medical tricorder over Chekov.

BONES
(continuing)
Brain disturbance. Appears to be
drug induced.

He reaches into his kit. He shoots Chekov moves off
to Terrell. Uhura, voice continues in the b.g.

KIRK
Saavik, for God's sake, tell her
we're all right. }

119 INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE - FAVORING UHURA 119

UHURA
I say again. This is Enterprise.
Please acknowledge signal. Please --

Saavik's face appears on her screen.

SAAVIK
(on screen, hurried)
Commander Uhura, this is Lt. Saavik.
We're all right. Please stand by.
Out.

UHURA
(baffled)
Aye, aye.

120 INT. SPACE STATION - TIGHT GROUP 120

Chekov opens his eyes, and stares into Kirk's.

CHEKOV
{ Oh, God, Admiral...!

He weeps like a child, and Kirk holds him. Meanwhile,
Terrell opens his eyes and stares at Bones.

BONES
It's Dr. McCoy, Captain. Do you
remember me?

TERRELL
McCoy? Yes. Oh, yes. }

121 ANGLE FAVORING CHEKOV AND KIRK 121

Chekov breaks the embrace in high relief and anxiety.

CHEKOV
Oh, sir. It was Khan! We found him
on Ceti Alpha V.


What do you think??

 

[ScatmanRescueMe]

Wow. if they had included the scene where McCoy says he served with Terrell----I can just hear it now.............

"McCoy couldn't have served with Terrell---they never mentioned that before--so It cound never have happened !!!"

______________________________________________


"Who is the man with the raspy voice and pockmarked face---SHAS"
"He's an ugly mother-fu......."
"Shut your mouth!"
"But I'm talkin' 'bout SHAS !"
" Yo' damn right !"

 

[EyalM]

Bones is passing his medical tricorder over Chekov.

BONES
(continuing)
Brain disturbance. Appears to be
drug induced.

He reaches into his kit. He shoots Chekov moves off
to Terrell.

This would have saved a lot of "why didn't McCoy even bother to scan Chekov and Terrell" complaints.
But everything else here adds nothing.