TWOK cut scenes excerpts...

[Peach Wookiee]

Scatman, trevanian...Cool it. You don't need to snipe each other. Thank you.

 

[trevanian]

Scatman, trevanian...Cool it. You don't need to snipe each other. Thank you.

That's my point, the sniping is bullshit, yet you guys tolerate tons of it from some posters who can always get away with an uninformative sentence and an emoticon for the human-impaired. But you better not try to wrap me into the 'snipe' category, because that is even more total bullshit.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

trevanian, please notice that I included Scatman in the "cool it" category. I am telling you nicely to cool it.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I just don't believe it and I won't hunt for something I don't think exists. If you are so passionate about it--you find the proof. post a link, or show an article, etc.
I WON'T accuse you of forging it. But don't tell us to hunt for it.
I'll let it drop.

Now I'm puzzled. I didn't tell you to hunt for it. I expected me recalling my own article/interview would be sufficient.

I conducted an interview with Paul Winfield which appeared in the ST newsletter called "Data". Circulation was about 400 copies. I can dig it out and scan the interview for you, but if I made up the bit about the blackfaced stunt guy - or if Paul Winfield did - way back in 1982, then me scanning the extract today and posting it to my Flickr account won't prove anything.

I guess now you'll say, "How come a Star Trek newsletter was called 'Data' years before TNG's android was created? More proof that the poster can't get his facts straight!"

I'm not particularly "passionate" about the anecdote, but it's a weird feeling to have people expressing such strong disbelief in a story that was fairly well publicised amongst ST groups in 1982, and has been reported in professional news journals such as "Variety" (or "Hollywood Reporter", whichever it was). I'll dig up my old interview if you really, really need it. But with all the tricks scanners and Photoshop can do these days, no cynical person is ever going to believe me, especially using my own old article to back up a bbs post.

And thanks trevanian. We already knew the rumour about the extra from a previous issue of "Data". A reader had sent us the clipping, and we would have credited it with title and date. I couldn't recall the original source, but they'd be in my "Data" backcopies. Pro reporting of the rumour was why I knew to ask Winfield about it - and our "research" surprised him. ie that remote Aussie fans would even know about such on-set antics long before the film was even released.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I don't think it would have taken too much time to show them get spooked by the kid.

Without appropriate old articles to scan for you, it's probably pointless saying anything more but, IIRC, the child scenes were removed because they didn't want audiences wondering what fate befell the child after the Genesis Device went off.

But, like the romulan deletion (to save 30 seconds) I think they made some questionable choices. I mean having her act somewhat emotionally for the whole movie and then removing a couple of lines to explain it doesn't seem to make sense.

And leaving them in doesn't mean anything to regular moviegoers, although I guess McCoy's "Beware Romulans bearing gifts" being the only other Romulan reference could be construed as potentially confusing to people trying to work out Saavik's mixed heritage.

 

[guardian]

I think the feared audience reaction to the kid's fate and the need to get to Khan killled the kid parts.

I can just see the folks at the preview...

"Did that kid just get blown up when the Reliant blew, he was standing right next to it!!"



I don't think there was a chance in hell it ever would have stayed because of that.