Rose and Bernard, having lived their lives happily away from "you people" from 1977 on, dying sometime before the 2004 crash.
That's my favorite idea, too.
Evil idea: Nikki and Paulo.
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That's my favorite idea, too.
Evil idea: Nikki and Paulo.
Which two guys crashed in a slave ship?
I'm corn-fused. Were Jacob and Esau from the slave ship? Wasn't there a reference to the Black Rock that placed it in the late 19th C, when I would have thought the ocean-going slave trade was finito? I'm pretty sure the reference to Richard being "in chains" was meant to be taken literally, so was he a slave on that ship? Makes more sense that he might have been a slave in ancient Egypt.
Jacob and the MIB were not from the Black Rock. They were already on the Island and apparently long time enemies before the Black Rock arrived.
The MIB seemed to accuse Jacob of somehow bringing the Black Rock to the island (and implied that Jacob had brought other people to the island before that (perhaps quite a few times). The MIB said that it always ends the same and Jacob said it only has to change once for things to be different.
Since the Black Rock was carrying slaves, and Richard seems to not age and the MIB referred to Richard as being "in chains" it can be assumed that Richard was a slave on the Black Rock, but this is not certain. Richard (both in appearance and name) seems to be Hispanic and, as far as I know, there were not to many Hispanic slaves.
As far as I can figure Jacob and the MIB share a sort of God/Satan relationship (maybe they are angels and the island a prison? The MIB is a fallen Angel and Jacob a good angel (sort of a Prison warden) sent to the island to keep the MIB there). The MIB is a badguy, uses people to meet his own ends, and is generally a bastard and perhaps trapped on the island by Jacob to prevent him from causing trouble elsewhere. Jacob on the other hand believe in the good in people, he occasionally finds people that he believes "worthy" and brings them to the island to see if they truly are. More often then not this doesn't work out (as the MIB pointed out to him about it always ending the same way) but Jacob keeps hoping that the right people will arrive and change things. What things, I don't know. Maybe it's like "Q" did to Picard in STTNG last episode, testing him to see if he can "rise above" his human limitations and see the big picture.
The MIB seemed to accuse Jacob of somehow bringing the Black Rock to the island (and implied that Jacob had brought other people to the island before that (perhaps quite a few times). The MIB said that it always ends the same and Jacob said it only has to change once for things to be different.
Since the Black Rock was carrying slaves, and Richard seems to not age and the MIB referred to Richard as being "in chains" it can be assumed that Richard was a slave on the Black Rock, but this is not certain. Richard (both in appearance and name) seems to be Hispanic and, as far as I know, there were not to many Hispanic slaves.
As far as I can figure Jacob and the MIB share a sort of God/Satan relationship (maybe they are angels and the island a prison? The MIB is a fallen Angel and Jacob a good angel (sort of a Prison warden) sent to the island to keep the MIB there). The MIB is a badguy, uses people to meet his own ends, and is generally a bastard and perhaps trapped on the island by Jacob to prevent him from causing trouble elsewhere. Jacob on the other hand believe in the good in people, he occasionally finds people that he believes "worthy" and brings them to the island to see if they truly are. More often then not this doesn't work out (as the MIB pointed out to him about it always ending the same way) but Jacob keeps hoping that the right people will arrive and change things. What things, I don't know. Maybe it's like "Q" did to Picard in STTNG last episode, testing him to see if he can "rise above" his human limitations and see the big picture.
Part of me wants them to show up in the Alternate Timeline just to piss people off.
Yeah, I think it would be nice. Just a quick cameo or something. Odds are it won't happen.
^ I LOVE that idea. 
RoJoHen said:
We haven't seen any of the Dharma people in the "present" timeline, right? So...they weren't along for the ride?
On-island, everyone seems to be in the the same time--Jacob is killed by Ben an hour before talking to Hurley. I'll be happy to see Jin and Sun reunited.
LOL I doubt it. Their one constant quality seems to be that they find peace no matter where they are, because they have each other & that's all that mattersRose & Bernard are gonna be pissed if they've flashed again.
LOL I doubt it. Their one constant quality seems to be that they find peace no matter where they are, because they have each other & that's all that mattersRose & Bernard are gonna be pissed if they've flashed again.
But think of all the houses they have to keep building!
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I'm fascinated by your mentioning of Esau here as the MIB - first I've seen anywhere, I think. In doing some additional research on this, it is definitely possible that these are the biblical characters of Jacob and Esau, the sons of Isaac, although the Bible describes them as being twin brothers.
I won't go into great detail, but it would appear that Esau, at some point, vowed to kill Jacob over the theft of some kind of birthright - possibly the future founding of Israel - an event directly tied to Jacob, who was later renamed "Israel" for that deed.
Here's a Wiki entry on him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esau
As the ancient Israelites were strongly tied into Egyptian history biblically, it would make sense that these are the same two brothers.
I find it particularly interesting that it is written that God specifically expressed hatred for Esau (a pretty strong indictment from one's deity) mentioned in Malachi 1:3 and Romans 9:13:
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This (Esau) is actually a fairly common designation for the MiB, spun up almost immediately after The Incident finale last season here and on other LOST boards.
Closer to the season premiere, I think calling him "Esau" died down a little bit and Man in Black (MIB) seemed to have taken over... but yes, that they are the biblical brothers Jacob and Esau is a pretty common theory at this point. Could very well be true!
Rewatching the series from the beginning trying to find clues. A lot of the dark/light symbolism passed me by the first time. I guess I didn't think it was all that important at the time. But rewatching the pilot, with Locke explaining backgammon to Walt: "Two players, two sides. One is white, one is black." Nice bit of foreshadowing, even if it wasn't intended at the time. What are some other examples? The skeletons, of course, with the black and white stones. In Claire's nightmare, John looks up and has one black eye and one white eye. Anything else I've forgotten?
I'm doing the same thing, and I am blown away by all the dark/light symbolism that is present in these early episodes. Of course, without knowing anything at the time, there's no way we could have fathomed what they were going on about. Polar bears are light...Boars are dark?
Jin is light...Michael is dark...? And then they build a raft? Yeah, no idea!
Yeah, there's a lot in there I missed too. Going back to the old posts has definitely helped.
The main titles features the word "Lost" in white set against a black background. 
I'm sticking to my guns and fully prepared to go down with the ship.
Yeah, well, Jack ain't the best doctor in the world.
Dammit, stole my post. Considering how much Jack screws up, making the two skeletons both male or both female wouldn't be too much of a retcon.
With the symbology of the black and white stones having been explored a little more deeply this week, I am starting to doubt that these two skeletons found with black/white stones are Rose and Bernard after all. The stones appear to tie them to the ancient struggle. Perhaps two others who used to be in Jacob and Esau's place before them. And it seems that one or both of Jacob and Esau are looking for their own replacements ("candidates") so they can leave the island.
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