Animated DVD tie-in.
Dark Knight style.
Dark Knight style.
TV SHOW please
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That would be a guaranteed failure - far too confusing for the audience for whom, now, the JJ Abrams universe IS real Trek.
Nobody is putting Berman Trek back on TV. Think about it. What's happened is that Berman Trek failed in movies, failed on TV. Now Abrams has swooped in and Trek is a success for the first time in many years. The lesson could not be more stark.
Hollywood does not ignore a lesson like that. And don't bother coming up with excuses why ENT was a failure because it was badly done, not because there was no audience for the concept, etc. I might even agree with that, but nobody in Hollywood cares about such fine points. They see the big picture. X fails, Y succeeds. That's really all that matters.
If CBS wants to exercise their option to capitalize on the opportunity that Abrams has created for them, at no expense to them, then they will of course make certain to appeal to the audience he has built, by adhering to the timeline, approach, and theme he has laid down to the best of their abilities.
They won't get the movie actors for the series but that's more to do with their probable career goals now that they are all in a big hit movie. CBS could still create another 23rd C Starfleet crew, going boldly. The Captain Robau idea would be a good one except that the guy's dead and another prequel would be confusing. They might opt for a Robau stand-in tho - different character, same appeal.
The other audience, the one that tuned out of ENT and snubbed Nemesis, doesn't exist for Hollywood. Nobody is going to make anything for an audience that miniscule. If CBS hasn't made a Trek series for that audience before now, why should they start, now that doing that will only create confusion among a larger, more potentially lucrative audience?
This is all about brand building and business discipline. CBS, of all the networks, is the most brand-savvy and the most disciplined. That's why it's pretty successful while its competitors flail around in various stages of catastrophe. CBS sticks to making cop shows for old people - that's their brand - and they don't wreck it by getting too creative. Trek would be quite a departure for them, but if some bean counter sees an opportunity created by Abrams, they might just jump in.
But they can't air it on CBS - wrong audience. They'd sell it to another venue and rake in the bucks.
That sounds interesting; how did that work? Did the movie actors voice the animated characters?
Nope. But the events of this animated DVD took place between Begins and TDK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZ_FsQFYFw
The Matrix and Watchmen did this too.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
BAD idea...NOT NOW!!! After the third movie, maybe..But doing it now would ruin the movie series...
Rob
Rob
IIRC, one of the main reasons for CBS getting the CGI remastering project happening for TOS was to start getting recent audiences reacquainted with TOS. There was expense involved there...
Don't be horrified, but I haven't seen the Batmans. As a fan, what did you think of the differing voices from the movie. Think it might work better, because Batman is a comic? Countdown looks beautiful. If they did it that style, it would look great. But I don't know about the sound...
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Dont go for it JERI. You're smart. Even you can see that the later TNG movies suffered from being compared to the TV shows of that time. They will reuse the sets and the 'uniqueness' of the MOVIES would be lost...
Doing a TVSHOW now would not be wise..DONT DO IT JJ!!
Rob
Robert! Nothing's been done yet.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
CBS Paramount has no interest in a new Trek series. The head of the studio had the choice to either reboot Trek as a TV series following the implosion of ENT or movies; and he personally feels that the franchise works better as a movie series, which is why they are putting everything behind the new movies and making that the new Trek focus.
Maybe when the movies start to run out of steam, but Paramount have likely learned their lesson with this. Having a bunch of series running together was a mistake. I loved DS9, but people were fatigued by that point. I'd like to see Bryan Fuller given a shot at a series though.
If the next movie is successful, and the third movie is succesful then they'll continue doing them. Though if it goes all Spiderman 3, then they may just do a last movie to send it out. I think a TV series would generate a lot of interest now, as long as its actually good, not a shitfest like Voyager or Enterprise (I know they tried to salvage Enterprise, but for me the whole premise was poor).
If the next movie is successful, and the third movie is succesful then they'll continue doing them. Though if it goes all Spiderman 3, then they may just do a last movie to send it out. I think a TV series would generate a lot of interest now, as long as its actually good, not a shitfest like Voyager or Enterprise (I know they tried to salvage Enterprise, but for me the whole premise was poor).
Well seeing as how Raimi and crew are doing Spider-Man 4 for May 2011...that's a poor comparison to make. They realize what went wrong with Spidey 3 and are moving on to do a sequel without the suits forcing a villain on Raimi that he never intended to film.
So even if the third Star Trek doesn't live up to expectations, they'll move on. They didn't let Star Trek V stop them.
The simple workaround would be Kelvin Prime. We can be fairly certain that they lived happily ever after in the original time line.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Can you not see that the glut of movies/TVS shows is what made 'normal people' (meaning, not us) turn off STAR TREK. We are STILL recovering from a glut of TREK.
I will explain this to you..ALL of you.
When you have a TVSHOW, and a MOVIE series, running at the same time it does TWO things. It gives the producers a radical idea; hey instead of building new sets, we'll just film it on the TV SHOW sets.
So what this does, for normal John Q public, is send a signal that these so called "MOVIES" are just Two-hour episodes with a higher rung of actors. And guess what; that is what most of those TNG movies (and TUC I am sad to say) come off as.
You want to run this movie series into the ground? Make a new series. You want this movie series to last? AVOID TV. Star Trek has had tooooo much TV as it is; or hadn't you noticed.
I know...sometimes I amaze my self.
Rob
I agree...there is not going to be any K&S on tube until they've exhausted the movie outlet.
Sadly I gotta agree that it's not going to happen, despite how much I wish it would! The actors have clawed their way to the big screen and they're not going to go back to a TV series no matter how prodigious, as a new trek would be.
I agree on the second point also, I think Kirk/Spock is the only way to go. Everything in between has paled in comparison to that duo (or trio, with McCoy)
Ah well, hopefully within our lifetimes eh?
I just want to say that isn't it really friggin sad that it HAS to be a K&S reboot and that everything else has paled in comparision since? I do agree but again it's sad because they really can't come up with a compelling new crew and characters to care about.....and if they do we quickly stop caring because the stories go to shit..... It's a travesty what these people get paid and they can't even come up with any new captivating ideas. I stand by my statment that these Hollywood hacks are overrated and overpaid and I think a better story/ideas can come out of the private sector. Don't tell me the most talented people in the world are currently employed in HackWood -- it's not what you know or not necessarily how talented to you are it's who you know and getting lucky -- not all the time of course...but a great deal of it.
Ya know Rob you're right but it's not that Trek has had too much TV it just hasn't been of a high caliber and that was/is the problem. I don't want to offend any of the various Trek series fans...but as a fan myself, the offshoots didn't even hold and capture my attention let alone someone who's not into Trek at all.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
I see both sides of it really. I actually thought DS9 was the most original of the modern-trek. I shall explain;
TNG is just PHASE-TWO. Phase Two was the failed attempt to bring TREK back as a TV show in the 70s that led to The Motion Picture. Some people on this site don't see TNG as Phase-Two updated; but it is. In form and in application
Voyager-Enterprise are just variations of TOS, which TNG was too.
DS9 is different. Its not, usally, about a ship trekking around. Its about a space station. Its about making decisions and having to live with them because you can't just zip off to the next mission.
DS9 had its flaws, sure. But in form, it wasn't like any TREK we had seen before.
TOS will always be the best of the bunch. It can't match the modern TREKs and their FX. I think the writing of the modern Treks, (TNG at its peak and most of DS9) was better than TOS. But what TOS has over all of them is unknown element; fun and chemistry. Its charming. The new movie, I believe, captured that aspect more than ANY of the modern TREKS.
And any new TV show would just steal the new movie franchise's thunder. Not now...after movie 3? Sure. TMP-KHAN-SEARCH FOR SPOCK and VOYAGE HOME all came out with out having to compete with a series for attention...Those movies represent, I think, TREK movies in their prime..I wonder why.
Rob
TNG is just PHASE-TWO. Phase Two was the failed attempt to bring TREK back as a TV show in the 70s that led to The Motion Picture. Some people on this site don't see TNG as Phase-Two updated; but it is. In form and in application
Voyager-Enterprise are just variations of TOS, which TNG was too.
DS9 is different. Its not, usally, about a ship trekking around. Its about a space station. Its about making decisions and having to live with them because you can't just zip off to the next mission.
DS9 had its flaws, sure. But in form, it wasn't like any TREK we had seen before.
TOS will always be the best of the bunch. It can't match the modern TREKs and their FX. I think the writing of the modern Treks, (TNG at its peak and most of DS9) was better than TOS. But what TOS has over all of them is unknown element; fun and chemistry. Its charming. The new movie, I believe, captured that aspect more than ANY of the modern TREKS.
And any new TV show would just steal the new movie franchise's thunder. Not now...after movie 3? Sure. TMP-KHAN-SEARCH FOR SPOCK and VOYAGE HOME all came out with out having to compete with a series for attention...Those movies represent, I think, TREK movies in their prime..I wonder why.
Rob
^^^ Ok so let's put aside the TV show as I don't think that will ever come to fruition while these movies are being produced but as someone else brought up what you do think of a CGI'd show...similiar to the clone wars thingamajig....it needs to be good enough for the adults but still geared to the kids. My nephew would love it. The actors could do the voices as well...I think that could work!
I'm planning on renting DS9 via netflix over the summer...which is technically now so I should get moving...but I've heard postive things about if from Season 2 on so I'll check it out.
I did watch Next Gen at first...but I bailed when the blond chick got killed off, which I think was pretty early on long. Plus, i was alot younger then and was out every single night...had no time for TV series...you remember the days huh? I thought Next Gen was OK, I didn't think it was bad...but it still failed to hook me..... I did always wonder why that Troi woman was on the bridge...Oh right because she had a big rack...that's why. LOL
I was very excited for Enterprise -- very excited...when I saw the promos and everything looked all shiny and new and nothing like TOS I got pissed ( I know it's irrational) and said I'm not watching this shit! I knew that they would never make a set like the TOS set...LOL why would they...but I still said how do you expect me to buy this that it's pre TOS and it looks further advanced then TOS...I boycotted immediately.
I can't even remember voyager coming on the air...I must of been busy that year LOL.
I'm planning on renting DS9 via netflix over the summer...which is technically now so I should get moving...but I've heard postive things about if from Season 2 on so I'll check it out.
I did watch Next Gen at first...but I bailed when the blond chick got killed off, which I think was pretty early on long. Plus, i was alot younger then and was out every single night...had no time for TV series...you remember the days huh? I thought Next Gen was OK, I didn't think it was bad...but it still failed to hook me..... I did always wonder why that Troi woman was on the bridge...Oh right because she had a big rack...that's why. LOL
I was very excited for Enterprise -- very excited...when I saw the promos and everything looked all shiny and new and nothing like TOS I got pissed ( I know it's irrational) and said I'm not watching this shit! I knew that they would never make a set like the TOS set...LOL why would they...but I still said how do you expect me to buy this that it's pre TOS and it looks further advanced then TOS...I boycotted immediately.
I can't even remember voyager coming on the air...I must of been busy that year LOL.
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