Tropes that movies, etc. use that you hate.

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  1. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Commodore Commodore

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    The first Jason Bourne movie wasn't shaky cam.. The rest were and agree, couldn't tell who was doing what.
     
  2. Kor

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    Speaking of shaky cam, I can understand a certain amount of dynamic camera movement in action scenes. But it easily becomes overdone and nauseating.

    And I'm not big on the meandering 'handheld camera' thing going on with more stationary scenes like ordinary conversations, such as these for instance:





    I suppose it's meant to add a feel of documentary-type 'realism' or 'immediacy' to this type of scene, but to me it comes off as lazy filmmaking.

    Kor
     
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  3. JirinPanthosa

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    One thing about certain kinds of procedurals like House and Monk.

    The message they don’t seem to acknowledge they’re sending is “It’s okay to be different or eccentric, but only if you happen to be really really good at something.”
     
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  4. FormerLurker

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    I think it's worse than that, actually. The message I get from them is "It's okay to be different or eccentric, but only if you happen to be really good at something at which most other people suck."
     
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  5. Aragorn

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    Jason Bourne had 3D showings in China and it made the audience sick.
     
  6. Turd Ferguson

    Turd Ferguson Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    The Bourne Identity was made by Doug Liman and didn't have shaky cam. Paul Greengrass took over for The Bourne Supremacy, The Bourne Ultimatum and Jason Bourne and those DID have shaky cam (to nauseating results :barf: )
     
  7. Foxhot

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    SUPREMACY was all right despite it using shakycam. UNITED 93 also. ButthenGreengrassassumeditwasanassetandnoshotshouldlasttoolongforeyesto registe an everythin wa cu of befo youknewwhatthehellwasgoingon in the rest of the BOURNEs.
     
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    The Big Bang Theory. Elementary, Rick & Morty, etc. It normalizes being a total asshole if you think you have superior intelligence.
     
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    I was more focused on the cases like Monk that imply that the characters wouldn't be expected to show empathy for someone who has a mental illness if he weren't useful, but yes.
     
  10. TREK_GOD_1

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    See every Friday the 13th film after the 1980 original. There's no way anyone would be caught and killed by Jason when common sense and survival instincts would have Jason being tricked and/or killed almost every time.
     
  11. Owain Taggart

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    Ahh yep, not to mention that seeing as how many movies there's been in the series, that his victims should have become wise to his tricks by now.

    Another trope is the ski vacation trope where it's guaranteed an accident will happen.
     
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  12. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Worf In the 23rd Century Premium Member

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    Conversations in public places where anyone can hear. And the right/wrong person always does.
     
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  13. Owain Taggart

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    Along similar lines are the private conversations that are said quite loudly for everyone to hear instead of being whispered. "Oh, we're saying something that shouldn't be repeated? Let's talk as loudly as we can then!"
     
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  14. Aragorn

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    Is this a trope? I was channel surfing and came across a scene from Chicago Fire where a firefighter is going undercover to help the cops bring down another firefighter, and he's meeting with the cops in broad daylight with the crooked firefighter watching the entire thing from across the street in his vehicle, and no one notices him.
     
  15. Admiral2

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    No, that's just bad writing.
     
  16. JoaquinSlowly

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    In the early episodes of Monk this is especially the case, ‪‪I find. Captain Stottlemeyer was more often than not unkind to Monk in the first couple seasons, barely tolerating him but for his talents and services. That being said, over time, and after the addition of Natalie, ‪‪I found it to be much more capable of demonstrating real empathy, and not conditional acceptance, with several instances of the Captain, Randy and Natalie standing by Monk when he was going through a crisis, and supporting him as a friend instead of as coworkers or an employee.

    Monk’s something that is flawed and imperfect for sure, but ‪‪I have a lot of affection for as well. ‪‪I relate to Adrian a lot, discovering the show as ‪‪I was first diagnosed with OCD myself, and even though he’s quite often a broad caricature to the extreme, for the times that he’s a more fully realized character, ‪‪I sort of long to see another character with OCD in such a prominent place in a series ‪‪I enjoy. And it was nice to have a representation of someone who didn’t hide their OCD, and promoted therapy to make progress and not feel shame.
     
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    Watched a bunch of movies over the weekend and this kept coming up...

    When an otherwise quiet, anxious, or shy character suddenly becomes a NASCAR champion when they have to outrun the cops or the Bad Guys, usually saying something like "Oh, my dad used to fix up old cars and he taught me to drive like this..."

    Same scenario with "Oh, my dad/brother/whatever..." was a sniper in the army, nuclear physicist, pilot, safe cracker, jewel thief, stuntman, etc.

    Boo, hiss - just stop. :sigh:
     
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  18. Owain Taggart

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    And the ones where they're all of those! :D
     
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  19. FormerLurker

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    This actually needs lampshaded, with the shy character saying "Oh, my dad used to " whatever, and the kid sucks at it, admitting "Well, I did say it was my dad that did it well."
     
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    A reply I gave in another thread reminded of another hated trope: Military NASA.

    NASA is a civilian agency and has been since its inception, but there's a fixed idea in Hollywood that stems from the fact that the earliest astronauts were former military. The key word is former. NASA astronauts taken from the various service branches go to space as civilians or reservists, but it's like some Hollywood writers have ignored the history of spaceflight and are stuck for reference material back in the X-15 days.

    One glaring example is the sitcom 'I Dream of Jeannie' - which I love - that features a NASA that might as well be the U.S. Air Force with all the military brass walking the halls, and that includes Tony Nelson and Roger Healey and Doctor Bellows all walking around in their Class A's with full insignia on display. And just to add one more level of Hollywood forehead-slap, when the show started filming in color Roger Healey was suddenly transferred to the Army. Why? I can just picture the conversation: "Well, we gotta put Roger in a different color uniform or the audience won't be able to tell them apart." :rolleyes:

    A more recent example is 'The Martian,' in the scene where the crew of the Hermes were discussing defying NASA and executing the Rich Purnell maneuver. At one point Lewis tries to curb Martinez's enthusiasm by telling him they'd get court-martialed for doing it. No, Jessica Chastain. Court martialing you and Martinez would require your former military branches to reactivate you just for the pleasure of trying you for violating another agency's directives.

    So what movie got me thinking about this? It's The Core. That whole scene where Hilary Swank faces a board of inquiry was jammed full of military dress unis, including Swank in her Air Force blues and Bruce Greenwood in his Navy blues. ("Gotta distinguish by color!") And it's all BS, because the military didn't fly space shuttles. ("That you know of!" Said the conspiracy theorist.)

    It probably seems like not big deal, but it really is because "NASA is a civilian organization" is a frightfully easy concept to grasp, yet Hollywood, throughout NASA' history, has always seemed unwilling or just incapable of grasping it.