Like I said, they were going to do exactly that - have a scene where Jaresh-Inyo "federalizes" United Earth's own government and security forces to deal with the crisis. There wasn't enough time in the script, so that scene got cut.
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Like I said, they were going to do exactly that - have a scene where Jaresh-Inyo "federalizes" United Earth's own government and security forces to deal with the crisis. There wasn't enough time in the script, so that scene got cut.
Let's see, the EZLN organized the People's Global Action Network which launched a massive worldwide movement against neoliberal expansion, thus bringing massive public attention to the issue, OWS gave the issue of wealth inequality a much needed push forward, Occupy Sandy and the CGC gave desperately needed relief to thousands and thousands of natural disaster victims after FEMA and others were too slow to respond, the IWW was the first union to allow in female and minority members, Spanish Trade unions were the first to get the 8 hour workday implemented and the events of May 68 in Paris led to raises, free college, etc.
WTF? Trade unions aren't stupid libertarians. Occupy Wall Street failed partly because the were unwilling to be dogmatic (and exclude racist, antisemitic scum) and the New Left has ignored economic issues. Gee, neoliberal pseudo social democrats like Clinton or Blair are a part of the decadent 68 generation. They have all been on the barricades back then.
Now of course there is a connection, Occupy Wall Street was good as it was the first step back towards the focus again upon economic issues, towards universalism instead of identity politics. They are more of a symptom of what is wrong than an actual, organized political movement though.
About organized political movements, worker movements of the Old Left have been highly organized. Discipline is all you got when you face reactionary forces. The hippies and anarchists can stay at home.
Now of course there is a connection, Occupy Wall Street was good as it was the first step back towards the focus again upon economic issues, towards universalism instead of identity politics. They are more of a symptom of what is wrong than an actual, organized political movement though.
About organized political movements, worker movements of the Old Left have been highly organized. Discipline is all you got when you face reactionary forces. The hippies and anarchists can stay at home.
If you think about it, the amount of Starfleet personnel availible would not have made much of a impact on guarding Earth, immpossible for just Starfleet to be on every street 24/7.
Officers stationed on Earth, cadets, people on leave, even retirees. Tens of thousands at most? The Admiral might have intended to station officers only around important installations and governing facilities, with no thought of guarding to whole planet.
Or, Earth's police force (and domestic military) would have been brought in, off camera.
However, given the views that some fans have of 24th century Earth, would Earth still have a significant number of police anymore?
There's probably not a LOT of police in Trek's time, but human nature dictates that there will always be some.
I still don't understand how Betazed fell?
I get the difficulty of dealing with changeling terrorism but how is it possible for any Federation planet to be conquered by standard means (ships & foot soldiers etc). Isn't there a planet wide weapons system that makes being invaded highly unlikely if not impossible? Why weren't there more ships (too busy protecting Earth).
If i was a Betazoid, i would have been asking a lot of questions after the war.
If the Jem'Hadar fleet had sufficient numbers I'm sure they would have been able to overwhelm whatever planetary defenses Betazed had. And, IIRC, Starfleet was stretched thin in the area, and thus there weren't enough ships to protect the system.
It's the choice of words though. "Betazed has just fallen to the Dominion".
I always took that mean Jem-Hadar ground troops. Wouldn't the Dominion need absolutely thousands to make that work? Surely a waste of resources.
If so, wouldn't Starfleet be able to easily pick them off if they were that deep into Federation space without available reinforcements or supply lines? Surely the fact that the Jem Hadar could come and go was more of an issue.
Or did they simply mean, its planetary defenses had fallen and this meant it could be attacked at anytime by the Dominion?
I always took that mean Jem-Hadar ground troops. Wouldn't the Dominion need absolutely thousands to make that work? Surely a waste of resources.
If so, wouldn't Starfleet be able to easily pick them off if they were that deep into Federation space without available reinforcements or supply lines? Surely the fact that the Jem Hadar could come and go was more of an issue.
Or did they simply mean, its planetary defenses had fallen and this meant it could be attacked at anytime by the Dominion?
All they need I for the main government to surrender following a few hours of fighting. Betazoids are not known as warriors after all. Take the capital with troops, fortify with starships as your air superiority, and you hold the planet. Take the starports and space stations to resupply your own forces and you have a new forward base of operations. One does not need to hold every street corner, when one can simply vaporize the city from orbit if the people rebel.
The Dominion had used some region that was thought to be secure to move in their fleet, thus they had a supply line where Starfleet thought they didn't. With the conquest of Betazed, the Dominion was said to be in position to invade most of the Federation core worlds.
The Dominion had used some region that was thought to be secure to move in their fleet, thus they had a supply line where Starfleet thought they didn't. With the conquest of Betazed, the Dominion was said to be in position to invade most of the Federation core worlds.
I dunno.
Seems like there's gonna be massive amounts of distance between Betazed and reinforcements. I never felt he scale that DS9 presented us with made much sense. They made it seem like Cardassia/Bajor was at the forefront of things but surely a base of operation on Betazed would have made more sense for the Dominion. And the lack of planetary defence still seems odd to me.
Even the most recent movie didn't seem to question how likely it is for a massive spaceship to arrive in orbit then just crash into the civilian population below without any kind of intervention.
But anyway.
Seems like there's gonna be massive amounts of distance between Betazed and reinforcements. I never felt he scale that DS9 presented us with made much sense. They made it seem like Cardassia/Bajor was at the forefront of things but surely a base of operation on Betazed would have made more sense for the Dominion. And the lack of planetary defence still seems odd to me.
Even the most recent movie didn't seem to question how likely it is for a massive spaceship to arrive in orbit then just crash into the civilian population below without any kind of intervention.
But anyway.
Considering how much of a technological advantage the Dominion had, plus they can likely bring up a supply of cloning tanks and the White to hold out for several months in not years, it would take the Federation a long time and a lot of starships to dig the Dominion out of Betazed.
If it was the Klingons or the Romulans, Starfleet might have had a better chance, but the Dominon forces only really need to White to maintain their primary troops. They don't need food supplies. Their don't care much about anything else, and their ships seem to be able to handle Starfleet most of the time, or get destroyed.
Not sure how much of a supply line they will need.
If it was the Klingons or the Romulans, Starfleet might have had a better chance, but the Dominon forces only really need to White to maintain their primary troops. They don't need food supplies. Their don't care much about anything else, and their ships seem to be able to handle Starfleet most of the time, or get destroyed.
Not sure how much of a supply line they will need.
Gee 1001001, I was about to hold his feet to the fire for this:Bah!
Last warning, folks.
If you want to talk about the economics of the Star Trek universe, knock yourselves out.
If you want to discuss Occupy, Capitalist Dogs, and Unwashed Hippies, well... there are other forums for that.
"WTF? Trade unions aren't stupid libertarians."
Hasn't he ever heard of syndicalism which has a pronounced libertarian strain? But you win 1001001, you win.
Still, the underlining theme is alternative or emancipatory economics. I'm just sayin'.
Syndicate, a group of individuals or organizations combined to promote some common interest.
Yep, that's a union.
By that definition, so are Star Trek fans at a convention.
Thanks, T'Girl!
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