No, that power rests with Congress and the individual state Governors.
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^ Alrighty then.
People on the left would never ask such a question as they embrace universalism.
The Federation clearly has universal values. For example the Klingons could never join as they are aristocratic instead of democratic and cherish death instead of life.
Of course there are and have been left-libertarian / anarchist movements thoughout history. Unsurprisingly they have achieved very little, if your political ideology says that do not really wanna grab state power you can hardly change very much.
So forgive me if I ignore these movements, their insignificant achievements as well as the numerous intellectuals who support them.
Oh jeeze, more of this "the Federation isn't really a sovereign state it's just an alliance of worlds (oh and those worlds aren't sovereign states themselves, they just have lots and lots of sovereign states on them that magically always cooperate)" nonsense?
You know, T'Girl, if you object so strongly to Star Trek's anti-capitalist, one-world-government/interstellar-government premise, maybe instead of ignoring or directly contradicting everything in Trek you don't like, you should just create your own space opera TV series instead, and have it vigorously compete with Star Trek on the free market.
You know, T'Girl, if you object so strongly to Star Trek's anti-capitalist, one-world-government/interstellar-government premise, maybe instead of ignoring or directly contradicting everything in Trek you don't like, you should just create your own space opera TV series instead, and have it vigorously compete with Star Trek on the free market.
All the more reason for new prospective members to be highly suspicious. You're approached for membership and see that this Federation organisation and it's military power all reside on this one little planet called Earth.
Hmm
but is Starfleet a military?
All the more reason for new prospective members to be highly suspicious. You're approached for membership and see that this Federation organisation and it's military power all reside on this one little planet called Earth.
Hmm
I tried to model a Federation economy in NationStates. It just say "Imploded".
I nailed the rest, though:
I nailed the rest, though:
Wow, so all a group momently in power would have to do is declare any and all rivals to be "extreme" and thereby become to only "non-extreme" political group.
Pretty slick.
I'm guessing Rand Paul isn't the leader there.
Interesting site, looking forward to going through it later as time permits.
The way NationStates works is that every day your nation receives one or two issues, all with several choices. Usually it's a pick of extremes -- prudent, rational choices are few and far between. I banned a neo-Nazi parade (can't have these Terra Nova types running around!) and suddenly all extremists were banned.
T'Girl said:
Nope. I play several different nations, all with different moods. Starfleet in Exile, for instance, is progressive and technocratic. One nation, which I'm trying to model after the old Dutch Republic, is much more libertarian. It doesn't even have a government, just a "small group of community-minded individuals". I play another as an insane dictator who has to date banned cars, planes, clothing, and talking too loudly. Once I tried an anarchist tribe, but it's hard to model anarchism in a game named after states where one person makes all the decisions. I just revived another, which is basically a SimCity 3000 city in NationStates form..T'Girl said:
It's easy to get into -- all the player does is make one or two decisions a day, and it's just played through the websites. I've had nations on here for over a decade now, off and on. A lot of old-timers do role-playing on the forums, but I've not got into that..
Not that I expect libertarians/anarchists to understand this simple fact but no stable society can tolerate political extremism of any kind.
Of course we all know the history of the first half of the 20th century, a stable society must also not tolerate conditions which lead to discontent that unloads itself into extremism, it must not merely forbid it but also not be a catalyst for extremism.
Oh jeeze, more of this "the Federation isn't really a sovereign state it's just an alliance of worlds (oh and those worlds aren't sovereign states themselves, they just have lots and lots of sovereign states on them that magically always cooperate)" nonsense?
You know, T'Girl, if you object so strongly to Star Trek's anti-capitalist, one-world-government/interstellar-government premise, maybe instead of ignoring or directly contradicting everything in Trek you don't like, you should just create your own space opera TV series instead, and have it vigorously compete with Star Trek on the free market.
The name of the place, is Babylon Fiiiiive
Yes, although I get the impression that while offense/defense is job one, after that Starfleet functions as a general "do everything" organization. Passagers, freight, inspections, exploration, you name it.
If a new series ever materializes, one of the thing I like to hear is that the Council is no longer on Earth. Perhaps it regularly rotates among the Members homeworlds, remains for a period (five years?), and then moves again. In the materially advanced future this shouldn't be too much of a problem. The Federation Council rents out something like a modern convention center and lot's of nearby office space for however many years and meet there.
No fixed location.
When will libertarians/anarchists take the effort to learn some basic classical economic and understand that a market without regulation cannot be free? For example without a strong government that enforces competition you soon get oligopolistic structures.
Free doesn't mean free from government interferences, free doesn't mean anarchy. Free means more or less competitive market with internalization mechanisms for externalities (e.g. CO2 taxes).
A free market and a strong central government go hand in hand. The former without the latter is anarcho-capitalism and the latter without the former is communism. Neither have much to do with a free market system.
IIRC, the 1976 Star Trek: Star Fleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph depicted the Federation's seat of government as actually being a space station, in interstellar space rather than any particular star system. So the implication seemed to be that the Federation Council was based out of that station.
I don't know how realistic this idea is, but it is kind of nifty.
In Star Wars, the capital and Senate is located on Coruscant, which was one big city planet.
It looks like it didn't belong to any one group, so it's culturally a neutral planet. Which was probably just as well.
Star Fleet was very human-centric. Probably a little too human-centric if you were from another member world.
Diana Troi once told someone she was only half human because her mother was from Betazed, and her father "was a Starfleet officer". Even the Klingons called them out on it.
If Admiral Layton's coup had worked, an earth human would have had total control of the Federation's only military. It was probably easier to attempt because Starfleet and the Fed capital were located on his world.
The fact that they mention no earth president or no earth leaders intervening period, makes the whole thing even more odd.
It looks like it didn't belong to any one group, so it's culturally a neutral planet. Which was probably just as well.
Star Fleet was very human-centric. Probably a little too human-centric if you were from another member world.
Diana Troi once told someone she was only half human because her mother was from Betazed, and her father "was a Starfleet officer". Even the Klingons called them out on it.
If Admiral Layton's coup had worked, an earth human would have had total control of the Federation's only military. It was probably easier to attempt because Starfleet and the Fed capital were located on his world.
The fact that they mention no earth president or no earth leaders intervening period, makes the whole thing even more odd.
Which apparently was all that was required to inform the average person that her father was a Human.
I prefer to think that the majority of Starfleet wouldn't have followed him any longer than it took to get the word out. Initially probably, but not for too long.
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