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Based on all I've seen, this is my guess for why "Prime Universe" fans tend to reject or not enthusiastic about "NU Trek":

A. Kirk getting promoted from cadet to captain. Without the time space to show gaining experience. Sure it could happen, but it left a weird taste in some fans mouths.

B. Spock seeming to be too emotional, so fast, in both films, like the "Kahhhn!!" scene.

C.Too many explosions, too many action scenes.

D. How the main crew seemed mashed together.

E. Too many storylines being meshed together.

It's not an attack on Nu Trek, just what I've noticed from criticism. And I'll admit, some of them were my first reactions as well.

Mine is mostly C. I like the Kirk who lies about an explosive substance called Corbomite and talks machines into blowing themselves up. Not the one who beams in with no plan and shoots everyone. I think the casting and characterization of Spock is one of the high points of NuTrek.

But also I feel they put zero effort into anybody but Kirk, Spock and Uhura. All they did with Chekov is make fun of his accent and all they did was Sulu was throw in some token sword fights. Too many fan winks.
 
How PC. And those who don't like Star Trek or don't watch it are Trek Challenged or Trek Liberated.

No, they are Trek Free.

Like this "Please put the tricorder away, T'Pol, let's have SOME FUN!" by Archer in the early Enterprise, where he takes his dog(!) to an unexplored world.

It's a scifi show and I want space exploration presented as something serious and professional, not a joy-ride or camping weekend.

Because there's no way Kirk would ever have said something like that to Bones. :rolleyes:

(Admittedly that was a very weak episode. But pointing to a show's lowest points isn't a strong argument, as all shows have those.)
 
Yes, the petition is so hilariously spot on... I am still rolling around on the floor laughing my ass off after having read it. :)
 
I've said it before, I felt that the first JJTrek was an entertaining popcorn flick with little substance. I haven't seen much of Social Commentary, aside from some emotion at the loss of Vulcan.

Does every Star Trek adventure HAVE to have social commentary? Can't they just be a fun romp? Because there sure are a lot of Star Trek adventures that don't have commentary to them.


No. Yes, but in the realm of these movies, they might as well substitute the plot and presentation with any other summer blockbuster that just happens to have the name of an entertainment platform from long ago, whose characters just happen to have the same names, but essentially has inserted shimmering surfaces and references that have no substance for the serious, if inconsistent, creation of a universe, and more significantly, worldview that had meaning.
 
Okay. How about "Threshold?" :p

I'm creative, not a suicidal lunatic. ;)

The age old story of humanity striving to discover the unknown, plus gaining fame and notoriety, but not accounting for, ignoring, or even being cognizant of, dangers and risks that are outside its current frames of reference (see Kirk's assured, professional handling of venturing into terra incognita in WNMHGB).

Maybe not very creative, but it's not out of place to give Braga props for parts of the episode before fantasyland sprung forth. :)
 
Yes, the petition is so hilariously spot on... I am still rolling around on the floor laughing my ass off after having read it. :)

I think it's so stupid. Another one of those self consciously 'I'm so very clever' straw man parody posts that you see on every forum for discussing any hyped up thing ever.

You see one you've seen 'em all. Maybe you're amused the first time you see one but that's it.
 
fireproof78;11339445 Kirk's character in 09 is about potential. As [B said:
Kor[/B] pointed out, Kirk is not reaching for anything. He is content sitting on his rear end, apparently causing trouble because is a "repeat offender" and doing nothing with his life, contributing nothing to society. The whole point of GR's vision (especially in TNG and oft repeated in DS9) was that humanity was all about bettering itself. Well, Kirk is not doing that-until Pike challenges him.

Spock faces a similar challenge and Sarek encourages him to be that "child of two worlds" he felt his son could be.

Really, the film is about the importance of fatherhood and its role in shaping people. Before the daggers come out, I think there are strong maternal themes as well, but the impact of fathers cannot be understated.

Do you feel that these opening sequences were done in service of deepening the backstory of characters for an audience that thought they knew everything about them from decades of avid observation, or as seems more plausible IMO, simply depicting never before seen vignettes of Kirk and Spock to most expeditiously give some sense of who they were to the audience that the film was really aimed at, non-Old Trek partisans, who while perhaps familiar with these names, didn't really know much of anything about their personal stories and what made them tick?

Exploring the role of fatherhood and its influence on the grown child is significant and certainly a theme not consistently given its due in popular entertainment, but I think in this case it's problematic to interpret at face value rather than as simple exposition, albeit cleverly chosen, to get the desired cohort of viewers quickly up to speed on the concept of these epic characters that the filmmakers aimed to morph them into, "types" that are conventional plugins for a genre that has historically substituted plausibility and thought for spectacle, glitz, and a surfeit of action (not necessarily adventure) however ludicrously presented.
 
Yes, the petition is so hilariously spot on... I am still rolling around on the floor laughing my ass off after having read it. :)

I think it's so stupid. Another one of those self consciously 'I'm so very clever' straw man parody posts that you see on every forum for discussing any hyped up thing ever.

You see one you've seen 'em all. Maybe you're amused the first time you see one but that's it.

It's no more self-congratulatory than the statement you just made. So.....:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
 
Yes, the petition is so hilariously spot on... I am still rolling around on the floor laughing my ass off after having read it. :)

I think it's so stupid. Another one of those self consciously 'I'm so very clever' straw man parody posts that you see on every forum for discussing any hyped up thing ever.

You see one you've seen 'em all. Maybe you're amused the first time you see one but that's it.
I thought it was stupid before it was cool.
 
roundabout way to say Nostalgia Filter[/QUOTE]

Just so I was sure I understood the reference, I went to the link. I can appreciate your interpretation of my remarks. To explain why I don't think it's what I'm saying, I'll reference comments I made in earlier posts here. Prime is gone, save novels and independent productions. I may wish it were otherwise, if changes in the last iteration came sooner and led after a prudent interval to another series, more well thought out and executed from the get go. But that didn't happen and the reality of the situation is that too much time has gone by and the nature of entertainment production and presentation has changed to such a degree that the format of the Prime essentially wasn't reflecting that evolution.

But that doesn't mean, I equally accept the proposition that
the vision presented in the films is clearly and simply a permutation that stands on its own as a distinct and new version of the same entity. The general structure, the names, some of the individual's characteristics bear a resemblance to the narrative that was originally established. What I contend though is that these surface similarities are irrelevant. Sure, to unequivocally claim that there was a set agenda to ensure that Trekkies as a whole would reject the project is rather hyperbolic, as it suggests that there was no concern at all to appeal to that audience and forego an even greater degree of financial success than may have been anticipated.

However, at the same time, IMO the intent, calculation, and philosophy, if you will, behind the movies was not really pertinent to Star Trek or to the notion of advancing the core significance of what it had been, into the 21st century. It seems clear to me that what has been pursued is making genre films, granted superlative ones, with the property they are centered around as being primarily coincidental or of negligible relevance. It's as if Medical Center, T.J. Hooker, or 3rd Rock were considered to have the same potential for mass market appeal done up blockbuster style, they would do just as well as the vehicle that was settled on. Any specific draw to Trek was probably enhanced by the passage of time since the end of Enterprise, and perhaps more importantly and counterintuitively, its failure. This last because the changes wrought by its homogenization would be perceived as easier to justify and be sold as a dynamic and thoughtful rethinking of the brand, than if Enterprise was experiencing a successful run, both critically and popularly.

All of this is to say, that I don't wish that the films weren't made, as the franchise's history had played out. I don't begrudge or resent their success. I simply argue that my lack of interest in them is not their divergence from Prime continuity. It lies rather in the perception that their relationship to Star Trek is not meant as a continuation, evolution, reevaluation, etc. It is merely the imposition of the blockbuster mantle on a brand solely through the belief that it would fit well. What resentment I do feel is in the proposition that this actually represents a purposeful, rational, and intended change for Trek, rather than rendering the idea of it into a genre driven empty suit. Calling this NuTrek is accurate from the angle of its chronological production timeframe, but in reality it is neither Nu nor Trek.
 
All trek series took awhile to get their legs...
No. TOS hit the ground running..

Not counting The Cage.
"The Cage" sold TOS as a concept, but not as a series. WNMHGB did sell it as a series and it was a very strong pilot followed by a season that was not only TOS' best but arguably the best and strongest season overall in the entire franchise.

"Taking awhile to get its legs" simply doesn't apply to TOS. In terms of storytelling it was solid and competent from the get-go.
 
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