You're on a forum where people still talking about a 50 year old series that's coming back in 2017 and you're nope-ing that?
We were still discussing the Hobbit (1937) here until early this year.
People discuss old things all the time.
Trek Returning to TV in 2017!
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We were still discussing the Hobbit (1937) here until early this year.
People discuss old things all the time.
You're on a forum where people still talking about a 50 year old series that's coming back in 2017 and you're nope-ing that?
We were still discussing the Hobbit (1937) here until early this year.
People discuss old things all the time.
Yeah I agree, which is why I was baffled at the suggestion the new Trek series won't be looked at by the future.
Outside of a yacht club, Commodore doesn't exist anymore.
In the TV & Media forum there are lots of threads over time that have been devoted to very old movies and television series. How old a show or film is should never be a determining factor in whether we do or don't discuss it, only if it interests us and continues to have some measure of relevance in our lives and in pop culture.
Actually the Royal Navy still does and they tend to command the current "main" aircraft carrier.
Commodore rank in the U.S. Navy may have gone the way of the dinosaur right after WWII, much as the ranks of five-star General of the Army and General of the Air Force fell into disuse over the years even though both still officially exist and could be awarded to other officers if Congress ever saw fit.
Knight Rider? Not sure it fits there either, unless I'm missing something
I can't think of any historical examples off the top of my head, though ancient Rome springs readily to my mind as far as potential sources. Same thing with feudal Europe, with lords being able to name whomever to whatever, and the potential issues there.
I don't really see it as an issue with Trek, as it was addressed as being a problem in the next film. Pike recognizes his mistake and tells Kirk that he isn't ready for the big chair. The only reason why Kirk gets the Enterprise again was so that Marcus could use them as a martyr to get the war going. That doesn't speak to confidence on Marcus' part to Kirk's abilities, since he would not give up a promising captain just to start a war. He didn't trust Kirk, save that he would go blindly leaping in.
As I have stated, I think that Kirk's promotion was a misstep, but one that was actually tried to be dealt with in the context of the films.
You're on a forum where people still talking about a 50 year old series that's coming back in 2017 and you're nope-ing that?
We were still discussing the Hobbit (1937) here until early this year.
People discuss old things all the time.
Yeah I agree, which is why I was baffled at the suggestion the new Trek series won't be looked at by the future.
But you can't build your show around a future, hypothetical, audience because you have no idea what their tastes or entertainment interests will be.
That was the larger point I read in to Dennis' post. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
Compared to the usual interview about Star Trek where they insult the fans and shows every few minutes, this was positively a masterpiece.
I never got that. Technically, the rank still exists...they just call it the by the same name as another rank, which isn't confusing at all.
Orci and Kurtzman are fantastic teleplayers but they should have outsourced the story of a Star Trek prequel. But they were and still are way too greedy. They would rather be rich than create good Star Trek and that is unfortunate for the franchise because they tore it to shreds, blood and guts everywhere and created FrankenTrek. This affords them mazeradis and such with the guy who wrote Prometheus.
Knight Rider? Not sure it fits there either, unless I'm missing something
What has come to the world?
Wilton Knight personally selected Michael Long to be his son and "the man" for his talking car. It was helpful that there was a cop, who just got shot in his face, well you may remember (or not). I was a big fan as a kid.
Anyway, things like that make it very hard for me to connect to a movie or a series. I saw both movies only once and don't recall now, how that thing went on.
In the Age of Sail it wasn't terribly unusual to be promoted to command of a ship very young, based on a number of factors, such as exemplary service, family standing/politics, etc.
Some men made captain as young as 20 (more commonly mid 20s, with maybe 7-8 years of service). Which is sort of funny when thinking that the Hornblower novels were an inspiration for Star Trek.
Some men made captain as young as 20 (more commonly mid 20s, with maybe 7-8 years of service). Which is sort of funny when thinking that the Hornblower novels were an inspiration for Star Trek.
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This pot is going to be stirred. Sooooo hard. 
I'll agree to this one. Trek dropped the ball in certain places. But ironically, now some are arguing that Trek was never meant to be a social commentary show anyway.
But I think it accidently came to be seen that way. And also because Trek shows had the habit of preaching things. It had to start putting its money where its mouth was after that.
Another episode I think is underrated is "The sound of her voice" DS9. Sisko and crew receive a distress message from a stranded starfleet captain- they talk to her in real time, and have real conversations with each other.
They rushed to her location only to find her dead for years.
Turns out the distress signal she sent somehow timeshifted into the future so they received a distressed signal from the past. They had been literally talking to a ghost.
In some ways, it had a real Twilight Zone feel to it.
Based on all I've seen, this is my guess for why "Prime Universe" fans tend to reject or not enthusiastic about "NU Trek":
A. Kirk getting promoted from cadet to captain. Without the time space to show gaining experience. Sure it could happen, but it left a weird taste in some fans mouths.
B. Spock seeming to be too emotional, so fast, in both films, like the "Kahhhn!!" scene.
C.Too many explosions, too many action scenes.
D. How the main crew seemed mashed together.
E. Too many storylines being meshed together.
It's not an attack on Nu Trek, just what I've noticed from criticism. And I'll admit, some of them were my first reactions as well.
"The Sound of Her Voice(DS9)" is indeed a very good episode. Just the right level of eerie to draw you into the plot and the main characters' interactions with Captain Cusack. Then when we find out she died years before they ever picked up her first distress signal it's one of those interesting twists you wish happened a little more often in the Trek universe.
I signed as Obama to take full responsibility on his behalf and preempt all the internet blame.
Nicely played.
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