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Trek Movie Awards: Winners, Losers, and Commentary

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cardinal biggles

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Thanks again to everyone who voted in the Trek Oscars and Razzies. Enough of the results were similar enough to the previous times I did this (2003 and 2004) that I probably won't do this again until after Star Trek XI comes out, or at least until we have more people visiting the forum as news about the new film becomes less speculative and more solid.

So now it's time to announce the winners (and losers; does anyone ever really want to "win" a Razzie?), and make silly commentary about them. To do that, I've invited my good friend and former co-mod JKTim to return to his old stomping grounds. The commentaries were done over Instant Messenger, so at times it gets a bit off-topic and stream-of-consciousness, but I hope you enjoy it.
 
TREK RAZZIES

Worst Line of Dialogue:

"And have you noticed how your boobs have started to firm up lately?"
--Data, Star Trek: Insurrection.

Tim: My boobs have started to firm up, lately, although I'm not sure Data was referring to man-boobs. Then again, given how old and fat Spiner looked in Nemesis, he just may well have been talking about his own future.
biggles: Easily the worst of many, many cringe-inducing lines Spiner had to utter in that film.
Tim: Which is sort of like saying "one of many, many cringe-inducing women Ron Jeremy has slept with."
biggles: Notice how Data seems to dominate this category every year? Not just the wins, but the nominations.
Tim: That's because he's a man-whore for bad lines. Sort of like Ron Jeremy.

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Worst Alien Ship:

The Whale Probe, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Tim: Taco Bell called. You burnt their chalupa.
biggles: It was rejected from a Muppet Show skit. "SHIIIIIIIIIIT INNNNNNNN SPAAAAAAAAACE!!!"
Tim: Fuck. Now you put "Mahna Mahna" in my head.
biggles: :lol:
Tim: MAHNA MAHNA! Shit iiiiiin spaaa-aaace...MAHNA MAHNA! shit iiin space!
biggles: Doesn't quite work, but okay.
Tim: It'd work if you heard me sing it. Like a drunken Worf412.
biggles: Does anyone know what a sober Worf sounds like? For comparison?

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Worst Federation Ship:

Argo shuttlecraft and jeep, Star Trek: Nemesis

Tim: The last time I watched Nemesis, I was about as sober as Keith Richards. So I haven't a clue in the world what the Argo looks like.

Much like Keith Richards.
biggles: It looks like a shuttle, but with a jeep inside.

I don't know why they never made a toy of it. The Argo was one of those things that just screamed "Coming to a Toys R Us near you!"
Tim: Well, at least it wasn't the Manual Steering Column.

"Mom, I'm gonna go play with my steering column!"
biggles: "Stop, Johnny, you'll go blind, just like your brother!"

See, they could have done the regular, silver-colored Argo and Argo jeep for the boys, and then to try and get the girls interested, do the same thing, but in pink. And you can have Deanna and Beverly and Guinan go shopping on Risa.
Tim: I just threw up in my mouth. And not a little. A lot.

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Worst Prop:

Manual Steering Column, Star Trek: Insurrection

Tim: Predicting the steering column as the worst prop is like predicting digifan to say something ridiculously stupid. Sure, you win, but it's like beating a two-year-old in chess.
biggles: Yeah, I can't think of a worse prop than that.
Tim: Riker's back hair in Nemesis.
biggles: Wasn't that digital? Or did they digitally remove it?
Tim: Refer to the above "Keith Richards/sobriety" response.

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Worst Villain:

"God," Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

biggles: God again. You'd think an omnipotent being could pick better projects.
Tim: Well, come on. He created Paris Hilton. Even the Almighty fucks up now and again.
JLMntyPyth: Yeah, but he also created Anna Paquin, so it all balances out.
MovieManTim: Anna Paquin is proof that God loves and smiles upon us all.

Brett Ratner's existence is enough ammunition for atheists.

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Worst Original Score:

Leonard Rosenman, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Tim: I liked it better when it was used in The Lord of the Rings.

Oh, wait, I didn't.

RoboCop, won't you come home?
biggles: I liked it. It fit the movie, regardless of whether it had been used before. I guess Rosenman just isn't as good at covering his tracks as John Williams.
MovieManTim: It fit the movie for two sequences -- the opening suite and the hospital chase. The rest of it can go to hell.
JLMntyPyth: It had personality, though. I'd rather listen to Rosenman's score on a repeating loop than listen to Denny Mac's score for Generations once.
Tim: Hey, now. I LOVE the closing titles of Generations. The same cue that plays over Kirk's horse ride. Unfortunately, it would have been a better secondary cue, not a frickin' main suite.
biggles: Who hangs around for the end credits, though?
Tim: Roger Ebert.
biggles: Well, apart from him?

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Worst Visual Effects:

Associates & Ferren, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Tim: You know, it's rather fitting that Bran Ferren went to work as a Disney Imagineer after Star Trek V. He beat that movie like Ike beat Tina, and then he helped Michael Eisner fiddle while the Kingdom burned. Or he blew Eisner. Or both. Fuck if I know.
biggles: I wonder which of their not-so-great rides and/or theme parks he helped design during the 1990s?
Tim: Hell, did Disney's America even get off the ground? The one that was supposed to be in VA?
biggles: Was that the Civil War theme park?
Tim: Yeah. Maybe Carrot Top was supposed to lead the Army of Virginia.
biggles: General Ulysses S. Goofy, and his trusted lieutenant, General Mickey Tecumseh Mouse.
Tim: He burned Warner Bros. to the ground after defeating General Bugs McClellan.
biggles: They could have Captain Hook play the role of Admiral Farragut. And bring Walt out of the freezer, stick a beard on him, and have him play Lincoln.
Tim: I've heard worse ideas.

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Worst Costume Design:

Robert Fletcher, Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Tim: Decker's Bulge for the loss (or win, depending on how you swing).
biggles: I go with "loss." I think the TMP uniform would make good sleepwear, but I'm not too sure about actually wearing it in public.
Tim: Madonna wore steel bazongas in public, so "in public" becomes something of a questionable criterion.
biggles: Well, if the day ever comes where you see me walking down the street wearing a huge metal codpiece, then we'll revisit the TMP uniforms.

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Worst Art Direction:

Herman Zimmerman, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Tim: Did TFF even have art? Outside of the pool table under water?
biggles: Well, I've lumped production design in with "art".
Tim: Well, then, let us not forget Herman Zimmerman's magically appearing TNG corridors. I was wondering how the mujahideen got onto the Enterprise-D.
biggles: Yeah, there weren't too many of them on the shuttle, were there?
Tim: Osama was just trying to find God.
biggles: Or Barclay's famous "72 Virgins" holodeck program.

But yeah, they did a terrible job on those sets. At least they managed to dress them up a little in TUC.
Tim: Changing the floors and the lighting did a lot, since that's really all they did.
biggles: And all those stickers.
Tim: That too.

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Worst Screenplay:

John Logan, Star Trek: Nemesis

biggles: John Logan forgot to send in his check this year.
Tim: Ridley Scott got tired of covering for his ass on Gladiator.
Tim: I have one word for you: Bats.
biggles:: Not that David Loughery wouldn't have been deserving if he'd won it again.
Tim: Hey, now. He did write some of the best K/S/M dialogue ever. I'd take it over "You look like a cadet review!" any day of the week.

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Worst Actress:

Cynthia Gouw (Caithlin Dar), Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Tim: Gentlemen, I'm Caithlin Dar. And I'm going to play a block of wood.
biggles: Why does she keep winning? Yeah, she sucks, but she doesn't ruin the movie, unlike, say, Robin Curtis.
Tim: I don't get it either. It's like Sofia Coppola for The Godfather, Part III. Sure, she sucks, but, c'mon... helicopter.
biggles: Sofia Coppola didn't suck that bad, though.
Tim: I dunno, man. That gnocchi scene...
biggles: That's just icky 'cause it's incest.

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Worst Actor:

Todd Bryant (Captain Klaa), Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Tim: Considering that Klaa was in, like, four scenes, I have a hard time accepting him as the worst actor. I mean, c'mon...Shinzon's first reveal to the Enterprise crew alone trumps ALL of it.
Tim: "We are not comfortable in the light" ...man, at least Klaa was speaking in Klingon most of the time.
biggles: You have to at least be a little talented to be able to spit that stuff back out and make it sound like you mean it.

My vote went to Tom Hardy, though F. Murray Abraham's girly-man villain ran a close second. Salieri wouldn't give Ru'afo the time of day. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Tim: Watch Tom Hardy star in the remake of Amadeus. Mark my words.
biggles: He should start working on his laugh now.

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Worst Director:

Stuart Baird, Star Trek: Nemesis

Tim: The fact that Shatner didn't win is enough for me to give my eternal blessing to this. In fact, I wish to dedicate the award. "The Stuart Baird Trek Razzie for Douchebaggery."
biggles: With any luck, the man will never direct again.
Tim: That's like praying for Van Damme to never act again. It'll happen.
biggles: Van Damme stopped acting?
Tim: In America, anyway.
biggles: : I want Baird to never direct again. Like not even in Bollywood. Not even a German scheisse film. Not even a home movie of his neighbor's kid's birthday party.
Tim: They have pills for those twitches, you know.
biggles: Guess I need to up my dosage again.

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Worst Movie:

Star Trek: Nemesis

Tim: What a truly awful piece of celluloid. I'd rather take a Tabasco enema. I'd rather take a Tabasco enema from a Russian prison guard. I'd rather take it up the ass from a Russian prison guard.

In Soviet Russia, Nemesis fucks you.
biggles: I'd like to list five movies that are better than Nemesis, if not in terms of actual artistic merit, then in the enjoyment (albeit cynical, MST3K-style enjoyment) I get from watching them.

5. Reefer Madness
4. Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
3. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie
2. Batman & Robin
1. Star Trek V: The FInal Frontier
Tim: Street Fighter, man.
biggles: Oh, I knew I forgot one. Thanks. Now I can cross Power Rangers off the list.

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We'll hopefully do our commentary for the Trek Oscars tonight, and I'll post it tomorrow. In the meantime, feel free to discuss!
 
Anna Paquin... what a cutie pie. Has anyone seen "Castle in the Sky," with her doing the voice of Sheeta?
 
With you on most of those your grace, Robin Curtis was clearly the worst actress. She sucked the life out of every scene she was in. Since that is about half of Search for Spock, you can see how problematic she was. Caithlin Darr had, what, 8 lines? Rubbish, yes, but she hardly ruined the film. The plot did that on its own.
 
The Trek Oscar commentary will be slightly delayed. Tim and I just completed it, but I haven't had a chance to clean it up yet.

Thanks for your patience, and your interest in what we've had to say so far.
 
I agree with most of the picks. I think the only one I'd have to disagree on is worst alien ship. I thought the alien probe in Trek IV was really pretty cool in that it was so simple, sleek and reduced in form and color (as a sidenote: Yes, I'm an architect :lol:). And it reminded you of the fact that in space you just don't need stream-lined ships.
I don't think I remember the alien ships in the movies well enough to pick the worst one. Most of them are pretty good, actually. I do know that I always felt the Klingon ship in TMP seemed a bit clunky though I didn't think it was bad.
 
Justtoyourleft said:
I agree with most of the picks. I think the only one I'd have to disagree on is worst alien ship. I thought the alien probe in Trek IV was really pretty cool in that it was so simple, sleek and reduced in form and color (as a sidenote: Yes, I'm an architect :lol:). And it reminded you of the fact that in space you just don't need stream-lined ships.
I don't think I remember the alien ships in the movies well enough to pick the worst one. Most of them are pretty good, actually. I do know that I always felt the Klingon ship in TMP seemed a bit clunky though I didn't think it was bad.

I think so, too. The alien probe was just so perfect, so science-fiction that I like it way more than the too-complex V'Ger, or the other unneccesarily aerodynamic starships introduced into the movies.
 
TREK OSCARS

Best Line of Dialogue:

"I have been... and always shall be... your friend.... Live long... and prosper..."
--Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Tim: I have been... and always shall be... the winner. Jesus Christ, it's like the fucking Yankees. Sure, it was a nice line and all, but c'mon... is that really the best ever? Forever and always? Shit, I just quoted Shania Twain. I need a drink.
biggles And the night suddenly begins its slow descenet into madness.

And bad spelling.

Stuff like this makes me wonder if I should put term limits on certain things... I'd be interested to see what wins if suddenly you can't vote TWOK for best picture.
Tim: TUC, without a doubt.
biggles: Possibly.
Tim: It'd be either that or FC.

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Best Alien Starship:

Klingon Bird of Prey, as seen in every movie between Star Trek III and Star Trek Generations

Tim: Hard to argue with the Bird of Prey, especially since, y'know, it's main competition of the Scimitar came directly from some fanboy's jizz rag.
biggles: The ship doesn't do anything for me at this point. We've seen it so many time, and they don't even do anything to gussy it up.
Tim: Well, I'm not saying it's good modern-day, but [crusty old fart]WHEN THE MOVIE CAME OUT IT WAS A BRILLIANT DESIGN![/fart]
biggles: It's the Ford Taurus of alien ships. When Taurus came out in 1986, it was revolutionary and gorgeous and pushed the boundaries of what we'd seen. Now it's boring and something your grandma drives, but you wouldn't be caught dead in.
Tim: I can't counter that. I can only shriek "BUT THE SCIMITAR SUCKS SO MUCH!"

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Best Federation Starship:

USS Enterprise (1701 refit and 1701-A), as seen in every film between Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek VI

biggles: No surprise here.
Tim: Can't argue with it, either. Old as shit, but still a stunningly gorgeous design. Much like Julianne Moore.
biggles: Hey! No dissing on Julianne Moore! I hope you look that good when you're fortysomething.

Or something like that...
Tim: I love me my Julianne Moore. Especially when I break out Boogie Nights.

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Tim: Actually, I thought Kirk's Glasses was a tool. Just a complete fuckwad.

Oh, the prop, not the poster...
biggles: It was a good prop, used to good effect. I can't say I blame people for voting for it every time.
Tim: Neither can I. The shot of the broken glasses on the table is money. And as much as I dislike TVH, the pawn shop scene is a nice gag.
biggles: I just want to know where Kirk was keeping them the whole time. I thought that the uniforms didn't have pockets.
Tim: Actually, I think they do have pockets, underneath the belt. I think the area underneath the belt operates like a fleece pullover.
biggles: On the jacket?
Tim: Yeah.
biggles: I'll have to look again.

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Best Original Score:

Jerry Goldsmith, Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Tim: I will maintain to my dying day that both the orchestration and the added theme of "The Mountain" propel TFF above TMP.
biggles: I think you might be the only one. :p

I do think you're right about the orchestration, though. I like that sort of "wooshy" feel it has at the beginning. The fact that Goldsmith continued to use it for his end credits to FC, INS, and NEM would seem to back you up.
Tim: It's a little bit more robust in TFF, too.

And, honestly, as much as I adore "Ilia's Theme," "The Mountain" is one of the finest Trek cues ever composed.
biggles: I was watching TMP this morning, and I know exactly what you're talking about... at the end, the orchestra sounds really thin.
Tim: It really does. It may simply be a symptom of the recording methods used, but at the end of the day, I'd rather listen to the TFF version of the suite.

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Best Villain:

The Borg Queen, Star Trek: First Contact

biggles: Moving on to Best Makeup...
Tim: You skipped villain, I think.
biggles: Oh, fuck, yeah. A while ago, actually.

Well, we all know who it is. :p
Tim: "Fish in a barrel" seems like such a terrible understatement.
biggles: This whole thing is fish in a barrel.
Tim: Don't remind me. You'll send me spiraling back to Jim Beam.
biggles: What are you on now?
Tim: Glass of water.

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Best Makeup:

Michael Westmore, Star Trek: First Contact

biggles: So back to Best Makeup
Tim: Can't argue with that. Westmore really did a fine job, which is more than I can say for his forehead-of-the-week jobs on Voyager. Really conveyed the ultimate fucked-up-ocity of the Borg.
biggles: I don't really have anything I can add to that.

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Best Visual Effects:

Industrial Light & Magic, Star Trek: First Contact

Tim: C'mon. Enterprise flyby. What the fuck?
biggles: OMGWTFBBQ!!! Yes! Finally a movie that isn't NEM won it!
Tim: Gotta give you that. I'll see your BBW and add an LOLZ and WTF and a ROFLCOPTER.

Er, BBQ.

Fuck.
biggles: :lol: LOLZ?
Tim: It's what I came up with.
biggles: It works.
Tim: Sort of like GEN's effects. They worked.
biggles: Maybe by 2010 we'll have them conditioned to vote TMP for best effects.
Tim: By 2010, if I'm still modding a Trek message board, please take me out to a shed and shoot me. Repeatedly.
biggles: You, me, and Spiff. Mexican standoff.
Tim: IT'S ON LIKE RESERVOIR DOGS, FEMALE DOGES!
biggles: Yeah, what he said.

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Best Costume Design:

Deborah Everton, Star Trek: First Contact

Tim: Given the other three nominees, I find it hard to argue. FC's attire seemed appropriate to the 20-whateverth century ... unlike the vinyl overload of TUC, the blah of TWOK and the fucking WEIRD-ASS PINK THING they put on Chekov in TSFS.
biggles: Yeah, that nomination surprised me. Sulu with his leather cape-jacket (which we got a better look at in TVH), and Chekov's "Russian" outfit.

Maybe if the Russians came over on the Mayflower...
Tim: It's like the Russians mated with ABBA.

In Soviet Russia, SUPERTROOPER fucks YOU.

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Best Art Direction:

Herman Zimmerman, Star Trek: First Contact

biggles: Production Design, before you say "WHAT ART? WHAT ART??"
Tim: You have an uncanny knack for predicting my twitches. Modding alongside me for two years must have been like marriage.

Speaking of which, I have uncanny penis envy for the FC Warp Core. Or maybe I need another drink.
biggles: Why, you wish your penis was huge, throbbing, and glowed blue in the dark?
Tim: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
biggles: Indeed.

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Best Cinematography:

Richard H. Kline, Star Trek: The Motion Picture

biggles: Oooh, another shocker... Best Original Score

Yeah, stupid copy and paste...

Best Cinematography.
Tim: I can't buy this. You have to try, and I mean try really fucking hard, to light your actors that badly, in the case of TMP. Holy shitbags.
biggles: And that damned split diopter lens just annoys the fuck out of me.
Tim: The fact that Andy Laszlo wasn't even nominated and that John Alonzo didn't win leads me to presume that Karl Rove is involved here. I declare shenanigans.
biggles: I was wondering when you'd bitch about Andy Laszlo's non-nomination.
Tim: It was coming. You stopped jerking too soon. *rimshot*
biggles: Yeah, let's just not even go there.
Tim: But it would make BlackDog read the thread...

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Best Screenplay:
Jack B. Sowards, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

biggles: No arguments here.

And of course, a reminder to the folks at home that Nick Meyer was really the guy who made it all possible, they just didn't have time to play games with the Writer's Guild to get his name in the credits.

Here's an interesting bit of trivia... all the Best Screenplay nominees were written by more than one person (if you pencil in Meyer's name next to Sowards). All the Worst Screenplay nominees had only a single credited writer.
Tim: I had never thought of it that way.
biggles: I didn't either until now.
Tim: You have brought me to a new level of consciousness. I have reached Nerdvana.
biggles: Ah, all in good time, grasshopper.

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Best Actress:

Alice Krige (The Borg Queen), Star Trek: First Contact

Tim: Considering that Krige gave a fairly one-dimensional character a good degree of depth, I can't really argue.

Besides, she was better than Robin Curtis.

Then again, so is Denise Richards.
biggles: Hell, Persis Khambatta was better than Robin Curtis.
Tim: And she was hotter (when she had hair, anyway... and was slightly less dead).
biggles: Yeah, that's definitely true.

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Best Actor:

Patrick Stewart (Capt. Jean-Luc Picard), Star Trek: First Contact

Tim: It's like giving an award to Al Pacino for The Godfather, Part III. Given how over-the-top Stewart was playing everything, I would not have been shocked to see him bellowing, "I COMMAND THIS STARSHIP, RIGHT OR WRONG!"
biggles: "Our true enemy has... not yet revealed itself..."
Tim: "WARP ENGINES! HARMLESS NOISE!"
biggles: "YOU DECEITFUL OLD FUCK! DATA, YOU FUCK!"
Tim: Shit. You just gave slash fans a whole new barrage of ammo.
biggles: Oops. See, I never exercise good judgment when I'm tired.

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Best Director:

Nicholas Meyer, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Tim: I'll give it to Meyer for two reasons. One, he turned Star Trek II into a coherent script. Two, he gave us the brilliant ending of Star Trek VI, and as much as I dislike the movie, the very final scene is classic.

Besides, Bob Wise did nothing to convert Shatner from wooden 2x4.
biggles: Meyer's about as good as Trek is ever going to get, because without someone taking it on as a pet project (like Abrams), Trek will never rate an A-list director. Or at least not one who's in his prime. We'll get someone in the twilight of his years like Wise, even though he was a great director.
Tim: Can't argue with that one bit.
biggles: By '78, Wise's best work was 15 years or more in the past... The Sound of Music, West Side Story, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Run Silent, Run Deep...
Tim: My old man still holds Run Silent, Run Deep as his favorite movie of all time.
biggles: It's a classic. Still holds up today.

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Best Motion Picture:

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Tim: It's still the movie I watch when I need a Trek fix. Hard to get simpler than that.

At the end of the day, it brings it all together: questionable science, occasionally wooden acting, and a cheesy villain. To imagine TOS any other way is to look at it through the ruby-quartz glasses of Cyclops.
biggles: You're Absolutely Right (TM). It took the best elements of TOS and remided us just why we all fell in love with the show in the first place.
 
cardinal biggles said:
Okay, who were the three people who voted "never again"? :mad: :rolleyes:
It was me, I did it. Mwahaha. :evil:

Sorry to bump this, but I totally forgot about the Trek Oscars and Razzies until tonight. :lol:
Good job. Great commentary. :thumbsup:
 
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