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See that is what Burnham should be more like. Someone with a sense of humor.
Jason
Technically they started even earlier than half way with Larry and also they were setting up Xander to be gay as early as season 2 but then switched for whatever reason for Willow to come out.
Jason
Well, yeah; baldness is no more or less a "defect" than having blue eyes. A lot of things are like that.
Then I shouldn't be scooping my hair off the carpet, and gluing it back on my head?
Commercial applications of Eugenics is more hair and bigger boobs.
A parent may not want to give their fetus massive honkers, but 23 years later that fetus can go up three cup sizes after one injection at the Superwoman clinic if she wants to intimidate the kid that she is breast feeding.
Commercial applications of Eugenics is more hair and bigger boobs.
A parent may not want to give their fetus massive honkers, but 23 years later that fetus can go up three cup sizes after one injection at the Superwoman clinic if she wants to intimidate the kid that she is breast feeding.
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Counter-intuitively she's prettier as an Australian.
Her fake american accent is bland.
It's suspected that her status as Rupert Murdock's niece, saved Fringe from cancellation for several years running.
I just wish we could see it return in some form. A movie or another reboot. Bring Walter Bishop back to the past. In fact the show would be perfect for this day and age with it's technology being used for crime seems very timely. In away it was Black Mirror before Black Mirror was a thing and also with regular characters. I did hear Torv and Joshua Jackson didn't like each other but don't know if that was true.
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Actually they do...
See, here's the thing, it's the person being labeled who decides whether a thing is or isn't offensive to them. And if someone tells you they don't like a specific label being used to describe them, you stop.
I hate "Ms."
It's so pretentious.
Maybe in the 60s and 70s it mattered when you had to be married to be taken seriously in a man's world... But no one cares about marital status any more.
It's so pretentious.
Maybe in the 60s and 70s it mattered when you had to be married to be taken seriously in a man's world... But no one cares about marital status any more.
I use it as the default until someone tells me otherwise and would prefer if people would offer me the same courtesy.
Actually, we don't. We can object to the way other people label us, sometimes effectively and sometimes not.
I'm not sure where you got that. I explicitly said that they should feel like they can cast trans actors in any role, no explanation necessary.
My only point was I'm not sure there's a place for trans identity as it's understood today in the Trekverse. I mean, consider the implications of Trek-tech. SRS is canonically (at least by DS9) easily available at no cost, and fully reversible. With such a low barrier to gender reassignment (and presumably no social stigma), wouldn't a lot more people consider doing it? Hell, I'm totally cis, but I would have tried it out under those circumstances when I was younger and didn't have any familial complications in a hot minute. I'd also freely try out having wings, being able to breathe underwater, etc.
So if there's a low barrier of entry for SRS - if it's something that just about anyone might do, even if it's just for a few days or weeks - would society put any particular importance on what the "original biological gender" of a person at all.
I think that's a bad analogy for trans status honestly. I mean, the whole issue is the future is "evolved," and Picard doesn't feel a need to "fix" a bodily defect. The bodily defect that (some) trans people feel they have is that their biological birth gender doesn't match their brain gender. We wouldn't want a future where trans people just accept the bodies they were born with would we? Unless you're applying what people shouldn't feel the need to fix is the dysphoria, which the vast majority of non-reactionary people already agree with.
No, what there's "no place for" in Trek would only be portraying trans identity as problematic or threatened in any way if the character in question is already in Starfleet, in exactly the way that Uhura did not provide for the portrayal of the African American experience of the 1960s in TOS.
When you put a character in Starfleet who is a member of a group that is oppressed or disadvantaged in some way in our real world, what you're saying is "problem solved."
That's the way Star Trek works.
There are inherent dramatic limitations to that idealized portrayal of the world that Starfleet characters inhabit. The virtue of it is, as someone has already suggested, wish fulfillment. I don't think anyone has ever said "Seeing Uhura on the bridge showed me how people could survive this struggle and overcome these obstacles and be a part of the future;" several have said that what the character represented was simply the hope that it would happen.
We aren’t going to change the term for non-trans people because it upsets a few bigots and uninformed people. Especially when the objection is over making things more inclusive for a minority group. Anyone upset over being labeled cis or heterosexual either really trans/some sexuality over than straight or they’re just upset that the world has moved on and is now being more accepting of LGBTQ+ people. They could also just be a total idiot assuming the best intentions.
I'm not saying that it is. It's why I added the (some) caveat. But it would be oppressive and transphobic for society to evolve in a manner which, while accepting trans-persons self-identity, argued that it was wrong to provide medical treatment to people who felt dysphoria, as it wasn't "accepting your body for what it is."
I completely agree with all of this, but let's unpack for a bit.
There was almost nothing within the story/written word which let us know Uhura was a black woman. There's her name of course, and the fact that she spoke Swahili in that one episode. There was that one awful line Lincoln said to her in The Savage Curtain. That's about it. But in 90%+ of episodes, the only way we know she's black is she's played by a black actress. That did indeed provide an aspirational example for many black people, particularly black women, but it's ultimately about the casting, not the role. Though admittedly part of it was Uhura was so thinly written.
I don't think this same model really works for a trans (or enby) character in the Federation because there's no such thing as "looking trans." Obviously a show can and should use off-show promotion to get across casting of non-cis actors. But without some sort of within-show dialogue involving trans or enby status, it will go over the heads of many casual viewers entirely. Arguably the people who are most likely to miss out on the subtext will be cis fans, who are least likely to appreciate, but still, it's not quite the same thing as Uhura.
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