News Trans character announced

[JulieYBM]

Thanks for the info. If I'm honest I suspect his "feminism" was more horniness for strong women, at a time when strong female characters were presented as inherently feminist. His script for Wonder Woman would be my evidence for that remark.

That is my theory as well. I haven't read his Wonder Woman script but when you combine the fertility angst in Age of Ultron with the JKR TERF comments he likes on Twitter it suddenly turns things very ugly. Now, a storyline that women like me might have identified with--the torture of being unable to have kids and feeling like a let down--explicitly excludes us and casts those organs in a very unkind light.

Essentially, he won't admit to being Horny on Main because he's an egotist and buys into his own hype. It's really upsetting to see because actual feminists who are feminists and HoM for women, enbies and men do exist out there. It just goes to show if capitalism can sell you a knock-off brand for the same price as the original but costs less to make it will.

 

[JulieYBM]

I can't find the actual tweet in question, but the sentiment behind this version here seems to be that men and women and fundamentally different so it's unrealistic to write them the same. Which would seem to me to be a statement consistent with trans rhetoric. However, I assume you are actually objecting to him using balls as an equivalent term for men?

No, his statement is pretty clearly transphobic. I definitely should have linked to it originally but I had a bajillion tabs open and my attention distracted. Nevertheless, he's equating genitalia with gender which is transphobic. Some men have vaginas, some women have penises! They are still men and women, so to randomly make things about genitalia is both transphobic and vaguely sexual harassment.

Why the fuck are cis people so obsessed with what's in our pants?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Imagine if you were in the 1960's and saw a black woman, a Russian and an Asian guy being treated as equals to the white men??

Like seriously.

I was a preteen, but didn't really think much of it. I also liked The Man From UNCLE and Mission Impossible.

 

[Awesome Possum]

ok put it this way...if a show sucks, then it sucks,
Adding another character regardless of their color, sex, gender etc, wont stop the show from sucking, if the same writers are writing for the new character as well

By your logic if a show sucks and add a trans person and the show will suddenly be better. and anyone that continues to complain is then slated for having anti lgbtq tendencies.

Can you not see how ridiculous that sounds....

What’s ridiculous is you assuming your opinion on whether a show is good or not holds any value outside your own head. It doesn’t and never did because it’s not an objective fact no matter how many times you come here to repeat it. If you don’t like it it’s easy to avoid since you have to pay to see it in the first place.

 

[BillJ]

Wait, wait, wait...people hate Burnham's stilted dialogue? It's gay as fuck!

Like...she makes it hot.

She really doesn't. I can't think of any actor that would make that dialogue hot.

 

[JulieYBM]

She really doesn't. I can't think of any actor that would make that dialogue hot.

Cute emotionally stunted but decisive gf who you want to save you like a damsel in distress then you save her emotionally by hugging her in the privacy of your own quarters.

*Wipes sweat from brow*

 

[BillJ]

It will be. Because there were many complaints that it was the pay wall that was the issue. I think there will be initial interest from fans who just didn’t want to pay for CBS AA. I think that will fade once they see the product that it is.

If CBS ends up with a million viewers a week for a three year old show that has already ran in streaming and been released digitally on Blu-ray and DVD, they'll be happy. If they end up with two million viewers a week they will be ecstatic.

 

[BillJ]

Cute emotionally stunted but decisive gf who you want to save you like a damsel in distress then you save her emotionally by hugging her in the privacy of your own quarters.

*Wipes sweat from brow*

Never much cared for saving the damsel in distress, she's a grown up she can save herself. The emotionally stunted part is a huge turnoff as well. I like women that have their shit together.

 

[Awesome Possum]

She was raised by a Vulcan and she went out of her way to emulate him. She’s going to be a bit off emotionally because she spent most of her life trying to repress them.


People criticized Anna Torv in Fringe for her performance in season one with almost the exact same complaints. But it was a character choice meant to reflect how she was raised.

 

[BillJ]

People criticized Anna Torv in Fringe for her performance in season one with almost the exact same complaints. But it was a character choice meant to reflect how she was raised.

I haven't seen Fringe, but I am a fan of Anna Torv from the Netflix show Mindhunter. She plays a reserved analytical person in the show, and the writing (and her character) just run rings around what the Discovery folks are giving Martin-Green to work with.

Poor dialogue is poor dialogue, no matter how talented the actor is that takes it on.

 

[JulieYBM]

Never much cared for saving the damsel in distress, she's a grown up she can save herself. The emotionally stunted part is a huge turnoff as well. I like women that have their shit together.

You misread my post. I'm the damsel in distress and Michael (the character) is the one saving me from physical danger.

 

[1001001]

You misread my post. I'm the damsel in distress and Michael (the character) is the one saving me from physical danger.

I’m waiting for Tilly to rescue me, so it’s all good!

 

[JulieYBM]

I’m waiting for Tilly to rescue me, so it’s all good!

*Deep breath*

Women in suits saving women in dresses is That Good Shit.

Women in suits saving cute anime boys in dresses is also That Good Shit.

 

[Mudd]

I'm shocked that Whedon's ex was enraged that he fucked around on her.

 

[JulieYBM]

If I entered into an agreed upon monogamous relationship with a man I too would feel upset when said man had an affair I did not give my express consent to.

Wow, that was supposed to be half-shitpost but it just comes across as completely sincere.

 

[Mudd]

Yes, rhat's not remarkable. Most people do feel similarly.

 

[eschaton]

I have zero issues with the idea of a nonbinary character in the Trekverse, but I'd have to see how a trans character was implemented, because I'd be afraid of, for lack of a better way to describe it "presentism."

Basically, does trans status being salient really even mean anything in the Federation? Presumably Federation super-medicine can detect dysphoric people in early childhood (or even in utero). It is canonically that SRS is a relatively simple procedure and you can switch genders as easily as getting a bunch of prosthetic crap glued to your forehead to impersonate an alien. In addition, the Federation is presumably a (nearly) universally tolerant and accepting society, so one wouldn't imagine that it's common at all to deny treatment. Thus while trans people undoubtedly would still exist, if it was dealt with at such a young age that you don't even remember it...would it mean anything to someone beyond a childhood surgical procedure?

This isn't to say that trans status is reducible to the trauma of dysphoria and the process of transitioning. But as an analogy, black humans exist in the Trekverse, but aside for a handful of comments from Benjamin Sisko (who studied history) we never got any sort of idea black identity really meant anything analogous to the present. Of course there's still something to be said for representation - and frankly I don't really mind if trans actors are cast in any role (trans or non-trans) but I don't know how much more can be said without making Federation society kinda shitty.

Of course, the trans character is an uptime Trill, which might make a difference. Certainly the Trill had weird hangups in DS9, and may have regressed socially since the fall of the Federation. However, it's really hard to believe Trill would be transphobic, as the joining process (since it gives people experience of being other genders) seems to introduce a light level of gender (and sexual) fluidity.

 

[JulieYBM]

With an luck Alexander and de Barrio are co-writing their characters and have some actual form of ownership over how they are written. If so, I'd just leave that sort of thing up to them.

We'll see.

 

[cultcross]

I'm happy to put it in the same category as Picard's baldness. By the 24th century the drive to "fix" what we see as important cosmetic problems has faded.

But more importantly, the 24thC is a fiction and the show is as much about the time it's being made as it's predecessors. It mattered that we had a black captain/lead, and it matters that we have trans representation. If it's a tad anachronistic, well, it's hardly the worst example of that in Trek.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I have zero issues with the idea of a nonbinary character in the Trekverse, but I'd have to see how a trans character was implemented, because I'd be afraid of, for lack of a better way to describe it "presentism."

Basically, does trans status being salient really even mean anything in the Federation? Presumably Federation super-medicine can detect dysphoric people in early childhood (or even in utero). It is canonically that SRS is a relatively simple procedure and you can switch genders as easily as getting a bunch of prosthetic crap glued to your forehead to impersonate an alien. In addition, the Federation is presumably a (nearly) universally tolerant and accepting society, so one wouldn't imagine that it's common at all to deny treatment. Thus while trans people undoubtedly would still exist, if it was dealt with at such a young age that you don't even remember it...would it mean anything to someone beyond a childhood surgical procedure?

This isn't to say that trans status is reducible to the trauma of dysphoria and the process of transitioning. But as an analogy, black humans exist in the Trekverse, but aside for a handful of comments from Benjamin Sisko (who studied history) we never got any sort of idea black identity really meant anything analogous to the present. Of course there's still something to be said for representation - and frankly I don't really mind if trans actors are cast in any role (trans or non-trans) but I don't know how much more can be said without making Federation society kinda shitty.

Of course, the trans character is an uptime Trill, which might make a difference. Certainly the Trill had weird hangups in DS9, and may have regressed socially since the fall of the Federation. However, it's really hard to believe Trill would be transphobic, as the joining process (since it gives people experience of being other genders) seems to introduce a light level of gender (and sexual) fluidity.

This just becomes an excuse to only hire cis actors and never hire a trans person. It also comes with the assumption that trans people look a certain way and don’t already fit into current standards of beauty.