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Spoilers Trailer for 1x08 "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"

^ Don't get me wrong, Lorca is a great character. He just happens to also be a gigantic asshole.

I'm not sure I agree, though. Is he broken in some ways? Yes. Is he cut from the same cloth as our past virtuous sure-thing captains? No.

He doesn't take any shit and he understands how to get the job done.

I've actually found him to be a very tolerant leader (dealing with Stamets' insubordinate bs, giving Michael a second chance, tolerating Saru's very different approach to things, adopting Ash Tyler, etc). He generally keeps his head in a crisis. I haven't seen him be disrespectful to anyone.

He's got issues, no doubt. But I don't really think he's a giant asshole or villain. I think he's broken and he's begun his healing process.

I could be wrong and look like a fool at the end of all this, and thats ok...but I hope I'm right. I'm more interested in Lorca having a redemption / healing arc than Burnham. And I like Burnham. I just like Lorca more.
 
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Count me amongst the doubters.
me too

I'm not sure I agree, though. Is he broken in some ways? Yes. Is he cut from the same cloth as our past virtuous sure-thing captains? No.

He doesn't take any shit and he understands how to get the job done.

I've actually found him to be a very tolerant leader (dealing with Stamets' insubordinate bs, giving Michael a second chance, tolerating Saru's very different approach to things, adopting Ash Tyler, etc). He generally keeps his head in a crisis. I haven't seen him be disrespectful to anyone.

He's got issues, no doubt. But I don't really think he's a giant asshole or villain. I think he's broken and he's begun his healing process.

I could be wrong and look like a fool at the end of all this, and thats ok...but I hope I'm right. I'm more interested in Lorca having a redemption / healing arc than Burnham. And I like Burnham. I just like Lorca more.

i sign that -> we hang together
 
I'm not sure I agree, though. Is he broken in some ways? Yes. Is he cut from the same cloth as our past virtuous sure-thing captains? No.

He doesn't take any shit and he understands how to get the job done.

I've actually found him to be a very tolerant leader (dealing with Stamets' insubordinate bs, giving Michael a second chance, tolerating Saru's very different approach to things, adopting Ash Tyler, etc). He generally keeps his head in a crisis. I haven't seen him be disrespectful to anyone.

He's got issues, no doubt. But I don't really think he's a giant asshole or villain. I think he's broken and he's begun his healing process.

I could be wrong and look like a fool at the end of all this, and thats ok...but I hope I'm right. I'm more interested in Lorca having a redemption / healing arc than Burnham. And I like Burnham. I just like Lorca more.

I agree with you. Considering Lorca was willing to hand over Discovery to Mudd under the agreement that the crew be spared he's clearly not a villain or evil. It also confirmed for me that Lorca was prevented from dying with his crew on the Buran against his will and he's living with the guilt and shame of this.

I found his attitude toward the space whale pretty refreshing. Lorca found the whole situation mundane and annoying, but respected his crew enough to allow their request to bring it aboard, study it and relocate it. Lorca is a soldier, so his command style is a bit rough compared to Picard the Diplomat or Janeway the Scientist, but i think he genuinely cares for his crew.
 
I agree with you. Considering Lorca was willing to hand over Discovery to Mudd under the agreement that the crew be spared he's clearly not a villain or evil. It also confirmed for me that Lorca was prevented from dying with his crew on the Buran against his will and he's living with the guilt and shame of this.

I found his attitude toward the space whale pretty refreshing. Lorca found the whole situation mundane and annoying, but respected his crew enough to allow their request to bring it aboard, study it and relocate it. Lorca is a soldier, so his command style is a bit rough compared to Picard the Diplomat or Janeway the Scientist, but i think he genuinely cares for his crew.
I hope he doesn't care for them too much. He cared for his previous crew into oblivion.
 
I'm not sure I agree, though. Is he broken in some ways? Yes. Is he cut from the same cloth as our past virtuous sure-thing captains? No.
Where's the disagreement? That's WHY he's an asshole. Or rather, that's how the loss of the Buran (possibly) turned him into a giant asshole. Not everyone bounces back from a loss like that. Sisko could have (and in fact DID). Kirk definitely could have. Even Picard picked himself up after the loss of the Stargazer eventually.

I've actually found him to be a very tolerant leader (dealing with Stamets' insubordinate bs, giving Michael a second chance, tolerating Saru's very different approach to things, adopting Ash Tyler, etc). He generally keeps his head in a crisis. I haven't seen him be disrespectful to anyone.
He's an asshole, that doesn't make him evil. By definition, the asshole boss is the guy whose only guiding principal is "Whatever works for me, that's the law." He hasn't been overly disrespectful to Stamets, for the most part, but that's only because Stamets - and everyone else - knows better than to cross him.

He's got issues, no doubt. But I don't really think he's a giant asshole or villain. I think he's broken and he's begun his healing process.
In the mean time, he's a giant asshole. Maybe he'll transform into something later on... maybe he'll finally become a hero, or maybe he'll become a villain. Or maybe he'll get one last taste of redemption at the moment of his death. Either way, he's one of the most interesting characters Star Trek has ever had.
 
If we follow seemingly standard Starfleet procedures, blowing up one's ship, with everyone on board to prevent capture is a thing. Surviving it is a bit weird, but it has happened before, and sometimes crew loyalty to their captain get the captain shoved into an escape pod while the ship explodes.
 
Where's the disagreement? That's WHY he's an asshole. Or rather, that's how the loss of the Buran (possibly) turned him into a giant asshole. Not everyone bounces back from a loss like that. Sisko could have (and in fact DID). Kirk definitely could have. Even Picard picked himself up after the loss of the Stargazer eventually.


He's an asshole, that doesn't make him evil. By definition, the asshole boss is the guy whose only guiding principal is "Whatever works for me, that's the law." He hasn't been overly disrespectful to Stamets, for the most part, but that's only because Stamets - and everyone else - knows better than to cross him.


In the mean time, he's a giant asshole. Maybe he'll transform into something later on... maybe he'll finally become a hero, or maybe he'll become a villain. Or maybe he'll get one last taste of redemption at the moment of his death. Either way, he's one of the most interesting characters Star Trek has ever had.

Well said
 
It also confirmed for me that Lorca was prevented from dying with his crew on the Buran against his will and he's living with the guilt and shame of this.

That’s what I was thinking also. And I hope we get a confirmation over the course of the season for this or a similar scenario.

BTW did anyone notice, that there seems to be another crossfield class ship in the trailer, that gets destroyed? Or is it just the DISCO taking a hit?
 
Finland is Greenwich plus two hours, and we get it by 10 am. So around eightish GMT across Europe, I'd think.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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