TP: Seize the Fire by Michael A. Martin Review Thread (Spoilers!)

[ares93]

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^ The DS9 narrative was heavily serialized, and much of it was planned by editor Marco Palmieri. The interviews in Voyages Of The Imagination talk about how, for instance, in the Mission: Gamma books, they planned the Gamma story but the Alpha story was already planned for them, and there were certain beats they had to hit.

It is my understanding that the editors do their part when at least a rough draft is finished.

Not in the case of Trek fiction. The editor is involved from the start of the process, either selecting writers to do projects the editor has in mind or considering pitches from writers and deciding whether or not to approve them. The editor may then suggest revisions to the outline before the manuscript is written.

And as stated above, in the case of an ongoing series like the DS9 novels, the editor's role is somewhat like that of a TV showrunner, shaping the overall flow of the storyline and guiding and coordinating the work of the various individual authors. And yes, that does mean that authors are often given certain key story points they have to include, though it's up to them to figure out how to do it.

Hmm, i was not aware of that, guys. In that case i'll have to redirect my anger towards the editor. (either way, whomever decided it, i owe that chap bigtime.)

all my personal feelings aside, it was a real shitty decision. from a purely storytelling perspective at least. if i would break up a couple i would have at a bare minimum created fallout. but here, nothing... they didnt even interact afterwards. its like they weren't even on the same station. which makes the entire thing unnecessary and utterly stupid.

that again, thats just my 2 cents...

ares93, can you crop your image down to at most 640px width as a courtesy to those who has low resolution screens or small window sizes, please? Please see the FAQ on the guidelines for posting images.

Thanks.

Done. I dont know why i didnt do that. Sorry, mate. I was on a netbook at the time, should have noticed. anyway, its done now.

 

[Rosalind]

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^ cool, thanks!

 

[DimesDan]

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I received an email from the Book Depositary this morning, says it's in stock and will be sent in the next few days, so I guess I should have it come the end of the week!

 

[JD]

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Bah, since I'm getting for my Nook, I have to wait till the 30th.

 

[ares93]

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I had indeed a very a pleasant surprise when I got home today.
(Pic taken with today's newspaper.)

 

[JoeZhang]

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Arf! I love how you've done a 'proof of life' shot.

 

[Almost Unique]

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Today's newspaper! That's hilarious. I was debating when to check my local BookWorld...I was thinking Wednesday, cause I have a hunch it's not there yet.

 

[Christopher]

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Arf! I love how you've done a 'proof of life' shot.

Is there a ransom note to follow?

 

[ares93]

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Arf! I love how you've done a 'proof of life' shot.

Is there a ransom note to follow?

Indeed:

 

[Angstromdweller]

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Today's newspaper! That's hilarious. I was debating when to check my local BookWorld...I was thinking Wednesday, cause I have a hunch it's not there yet.

It is even more funny if you imagine Tuvok saying what is in the speech-bubble to the right!

 

[ares93]

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Today's newspaper! That's hilarious. I was debating when to check my local BookWorld...I was thinking Wednesday, cause I have a hunch it's not there yet.

It is even more funny if you imagine Tuvok saying what is in the speech-bubble to the right!

Indeed. Here's the quote translated to english:

"Today, I can finally give the Public Employment Service the finger."
(Perhaps Social Security would be a better translation, but this'll do."

 

[Almost Unique]

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Today I can give the work the shape of a finger? I'm not Swedish, obviously.

 

[ares93]

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Today I can give the work the shape of a finger? I'm not Swedish, obviously.

Read above your post, mate. I translated it for y'all.

Although Riker's is pretty good too: "Recorded nude video films - in school"

 

[Christopher]

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How'd you make that ransom note? Is that a font?

 

[Almost Unique]

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Those quotes combined with their facial expressions is indeed exquisite.

 

[ares93]

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How'd you make that ransom note? Is that a font?

Nope. Its a ransom note generator.

Here you go, mate: http://strix.org.uk/ransom/

 

[Rosalind]

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How'd you make that ransom note? Is that a font?

Nope. Its a ransom note generator.

Here you go, mate: http://strix.org.uk/ransom/

there's a ransom note generator?!

 

[Andy Mangels]

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For a moment there I thought you meant "Star Trek couple" as in the Martin/Mangels writer duo.

Nah, not that duo. Those two, I'm still pissed at. But as ye say, "deal with it". And so, that is what I'm doing. I meant Ezri and Julian btw.

I can confirm that the decision to break up Julian and Ezri came directly as a mandate from editor Marco Palmieri, and was set up for quite some time before we ever got the writing assignment for WoDS9: Trill - Unjoined.

Whether either of us agreed with the decision or not is immaterial; I know that we tried to make it seem both necessary and heartbreaking, as with the break-up of most any relationship.

As to other comments in this thread, the fact that I didn't work on this Titan book was an immense personal frustration. As a co-creator of the Titan milieu (with Marco, Mike, and Christopher), I feel very close to this particular corner of the franchise.

I had hoped to do Titan comics for IDW, and as mentioned elsewhere, even pitched them WITH Tim Russ as a co-plotter/writer, but IDW passed on the project just before San Diego.

That's the world of working on licensed projects though; sometimes you get to birth the universe, sometimes you get thrown into another Quadrant...

 

[Deranged Nasat]

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How'd you make that ransom note? Is that a font?

Nope. Its a ransom note generator.

Here you go, mate: http://strix.org.uk/ransom/

there's a ransom note generator?!

This is becoming more and more hilarious . Good work, ares.

 

[ares93]

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^ thanks, mate

I can confirm that the decision to break up Julian and Ezri came directly as a mandate from editor Marco Palmieri, and was set up for quite some time before we ever got the writing assignment for WoDS9: Trill - Unjoined.

Whether either of us agreed with the decision or not is immaterial; I know that we tried to make it seem both necessary and heartbreaking, as with the break-up of most any relationship.

As to other comments in this thread, the fact that I didn't work on this Titan book was an immense personal frustration. As a co-creator of the Titan milieu (with Marco, Mike, and Christopher), I feel very close to this particular corner of the franchise.

I had hoped to do Titan comics for IDW, and as mentioned elsewhere, even pitched them WITH Tim Russ as a co-plotter/writer, but IDW passed on the project just before San Diego.

That's the world of working on licensed projects though; sometimes you get to birth the universe, sometimes you get thrown into another Quadrant...

Aye, yer of the hook, mate. My misconception was corrected a few posts pack. The anger has now been redirected at Mr Palimeri. Nonetheless, thats for the confirmation.

Oh, and I might have sounded a bit harsh. I really was pissed about it all, but in truth, I owe you guys bigtime. I wrote my first fanfic in order to fix what you guys messed up, and I've been hooked on writing ever since. And despite of everything, I liked the book. Its been my source on the Trill mind and society on a number of occasions.

So all in all, I wish you luck in future projects, mate.