When we get there, I'll let you knowShouldn't it look like from the middle of the 23rd century?
TOS fan reactions to 'Discovery'?
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Using that example, would we only be able to faithfully revisit the "Batman" series if it was exactly like Adam West's? Would no variation on it be acceptable?
If more ST is still being produced in 30-40 years from now, I hope they'll update it from how it was in the '60s and also 2019. There are technologies we haven't conceived of yet that will be so commonplace 40 years from now, it will be laughable to imagine a future without them. Star Trek can't be taken seriously as futuristic if it can't keep up even with what's current in the here and now. We don't need it to be Adam West-style to be Star Trek.
I think the characterisations of the TOS characters is where DISCO really succeeds in being like TOS. I just watched The Cage and If Memory Serves back to back. Totally bought Mount and Hunter as playing the same character. Ditto for Nimoy/Peck and Barrett/Romijn
There is nothing in the entire catalogue of televised entertainment that I enjoy and love more than the original Star Trek.
I find Star Trek: Discovery to be the only other televised version of the franchise that I've felt passionate about almost immediately, and I find (found?) the fact that DSC has tried to expand upon and address some of the TOS backstory to be massively appealing.
I find Star Trek: Discovery to be the only other televised version of the franchise that I've felt passionate about almost immediately, and I find (found?) the fact that DSC has tried to expand upon and address some of the TOS backstory to be massively appealing.
Or "Space Seed" or "The Apple" or "Gamesters of Triskelion" or "The Trouble with Tribbles" or "Shore Leave" or "Tomorrow is Yesterday" or "Journey to Babel" . . . .
There's a reason Kirk-Fu is a meme.
One of many reasons I love TOS...it wasn't so pretentious to believe it was above and beyond action and adventure.
TOS Pike = Depressed, frustrated, sexist.
DiscoPike = Warm father figure to the galaxy.
DiscoPike is clearly based on the Kelvin movie version far more so than the TOS one.
Not really who Pike is based on my recent viewing of the episode. He was just getting over a bad day. For most of the episode he's smart, determined and in control.
True, but it felt similar enough to me to tug at the heartstrings
Fair enough.
But one thing I've noticed, not about DSC particularly, but all subsequent shows including the movies the seem to be less futuristic than the original Enterprise from the 60s tv show.
Jeffries designed the ships with a smooth hull look that later incarnations always ruined with their designs and "aztecing" on the hull to look like a bunch of welded plates rather than one complete seamless piece.
The later designers even claimed their versions were "more realistic" when I wonder where the saw a real Klingon or Starship to compare.
Now the interiors maybe, but the external ship appearances were much better in the original, IMO.
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I thought the Jefferies model did have "plates" and only looked smooth due to the limitations of 60's broadcast television.
In fairness, even with all the hull detailing the modern Enterprises and other ships still sprout docking ports and torpedo tubes from perfectly smooth parts of the hull when necessary (see: 72 broadside torpedo launchers in Star Trek Into Darkness)
As an old TOS fan myself (saw then TOS third season first run in 1969) - why type another paragraph when you can quote someone who sums up your own feeling quite well?TOS is my favorite Trek series and I have been watching it since the 1960's. I really like Discovery and enjoy the additions it has made to Spock's history and to Star Trek in general.
Change and long lasting franchises go hand in hand. Though nothing they've done so far has changed the Spock character into something "the original creators wouldn't want to happen.". Creators, original and otherwise, have been adding to the character since the first episode. It's their job.
Too much of "what we know" is fanon anyway.
No it should look like a present day view of the 23rd century, not a view from 50 years agoShouldn't it look like from the middle of the 23rd century?
The effects and look, distracting and pointless lens flares aside, didn't bother me. Those might bother the actors who are being upstaged by the flares and effects and if one wants to give an impression of business, have consoles with flashing lights and status conditions - not blank walls with a lens flare popping out. (As we've seen in many franchises that do prequels decades after the main event, they will look more refined. It's a given, inevitable, they're also trying to bring in new fans, so it should be discounted to a point.)
But the show's all about the look, as the premiere quickly exemplifies style over substance - and to walk across the desert to make a large enough icon that basically states "Starfleet is here" from orbit, yet they're trundling through sand... style > substance - logic = why. Or style > (substance - logic), the sum's similar enough either way.
Worse, season 2 with axe murderer Spock - I stopped watching, because while there probably was a follow-up to explain such seemingly apocryphal behavior, so many more elements were just dumb. Never mind the new opening theme monologue, how much bigger sledgehammer do they need - unless the target audience hasn't passed the final test to graduate from preschool to get into kindergarten?
Granted, I heard about the finale -
the actors aren't at fault - there is potential in the show but they're stuck with such ultimately dreadful material that only works if you consider it an alternate universe timeline. It's not in the TOS timeline and not because of the the shiny pretty things but character and plot details, which don't begin to mesh up. Even ENT did a better job - with trying to fit in AND balance modern stage set polished pretty with harking back to the 1960s TOS.
But to be fair, I don't recall seeing any prequel that actually felt like it fit in with what was made previously. (Even Rogue One, which I liked more than Episodes I-III, is somewhat overrated and doesn't always fit in either (par for the course, the snafus are not deliberate). One more rewrite and Solo would have been more of a hit than a miss, but that's all in another franchise...)
Then again, who is the target audience? And if DSC is in TOS's universe, the audience starting with DSC - how would they sit through TOS's differences with Pike, Mudd and the rest? There ya go.
But the show's all about the look, as the premiere quickly exemplifies style over substance - and to walk across the desert to make a large enough icon that basically states "Starfleet is here" from orbit, yet they're trundling through sand... style > substance - logic = why. Or style > (substance - logic), the sum's similar enough either way.
Worse, season 2 with axe murderer Spock - I stopped watching, because while there probably was a follow-up to explain such seemingly apocryphal behavior, so many more elements were just dumb. Never mind the new opening theme monologue, how much bigger sledgehammer do they need - unless the target audience hasn't passed the final test to graduate from preschool to get into kindergarten?
Granted, I heard about the finale -
free from the shackles of the past there's a chance, with better scripting, the show can become genuinely appealing again, .
the actors aren't at fault - there is potential in the show but they're stuck with such ultimately dreadful material that only works if you consider it an alternate universe timeline. It's not in the TOS timeline and not because of the the shiny pretty things but character and plot details, which don't begin to mesh up. Even ENT did a better job - with trying to fit in AND balance modern stage set polished pretty with harking back to the 1960s TOS.
But to be fair, I don't recall seeing any prequel that actually felt like it fit in with what was made previously. (Even Rogue One, which I liked more than Episodes I-III, is somewhat overrated and doesn't always fit in either (par for the course, the snafus are not deliberate). One more rewrite and Solo would have been more of a hit than a miss, but that's all in another franchise...)
Then again, who is the target audience? And if DSC is in TOS's universe, the audience starting with DSC - how would they sit through TOS's differences with Pike, Mudd and the rest? There ya go.
I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug!
Um, they'd realize that it was a TV show made fifty-plus years ago with different sets and actors, and just go with it?
I like to think that most viewers can grasp that without their heads exposing.
Or without their "immersion" being spoiled too much.
Wait, what? Spock is mentally unbalanced for 2 episodes, but at no point does he do anything murderous.
There is no opening theme monologue?
What show are you watching?
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