TOS fan reactions to 'Discovery'?

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by JesterFace, May 5, 2019.

  1. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Location:
    King Daniel Beyond
    That's why there were British flags in Into Darkness. England wasn't part of the Federation, and infact still hadn't quite finalised it's exit from the EU.
     
  2. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Location:
    London
    Was Mrs May cloned for the 23rd century?
     
  3. Boris Skrbic

    Boris Skrbic Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    If everyone is taught English from an early age, why would they learn it with a variety of accents? I’d imagine it would be studied intensively with one or two standardized pronunciations, and Picard would’ve learned RP.
     
  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2001
    Location:
    Here, There and Everywhere
    Hey,they only took back the territories lost by King John in the 1200's. The new Angevin Empire laid the foundations for the European Hegemony.
     
    BillJ likes this.
  5. Zulamay

    Zulamay Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2019
    Location:
    Abilene, TX
    I have been binge watching Star Trek:Discovery during this past week. My first time seeing these episodes. I am half way through season two. My take is it is as exciting as watching TOS the first time, years ago. I was only about four years old; but I remember it. My stepdad teased me constantly about being "in Love with ole Captain Kirk". I have no idea why but it has stuck with me. I DO love Captain Kirk. I think the buildup over Spock is over the top; and I just wished they would get on with it already. Bringing TOS into Discovery for Pike and Spock was too weird.

    They did do a good job of recreating the Talosians, though. I am thoroughly enjoying Discovery. :D
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 12, 2019
    KennyB likes this.
  6. 1001001

    1001001 I Like the Nightlife, Baby! Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Location:
    Beyond the Gilded Cage
    As I said earlier in this thread (and several other places) you cannot post spoilers for Season 2 of Discovery without spoiler tags (outside of the actual Discovery Forum).

    https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/hey-you-spoiley-spoilerson-listen-up.299514/
     
  7. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Location:
    Last place in Australia to get the NBN
    Look I don't want to watch DISCOVERY if its going to assasinate TOS stalwarts.
    I don't agree they need to have depth added to them by having a dark/edgy past.
    What's next? Do we find out that Kirk was actually one of Kodos' lieutenants?

    Look I realise that Sarek/Michael/Amanda/Pike are now DISCOVERY's characters and thus are the new heroes. We get to see that Sarek is "justified" in his treatment of Spock. That Michael is responsible for every good thing that Spock has done etc. OK OK maybe some exaggeration here but you know maybe it needs to be done to make DISCOVERY relevant. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean its wrong for DISCOVERY to do it. After all like someone else said I'm not in DISCOVERY's target audience.

    But I'm not that worried about the new technology except maybe in sick bay.After all Discovery is an experimental ship.
     
    Marsden likes this.
  8. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2001
    Location:
    Confederate States of America: Trump Edition
    Discovery tries to make Spock an incomplete character in TOS by shoving in unnecessary backstory. When, from my perspective, Spock was probably the most fleshed out character in the history of the franchise. He had a satisfying character arc that starts in (in-universe) "Yesteryear" and ends with Star Trek (2009).

    I understand the decisions made from a business perspective, but there was no need for Discovery to mess around with Spock's backstory from a creative standpoint.
     
    Commishsleer and CaptainMurdock like this.
  9. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Location:
    London
    I doubt in-universe everyone would learn or have to learn English, the French would never allow it! lol.
    Not even all English born people speak RP so why should anyone else? How many people speak a foreign language without their own mother tongue accent?
     
  10. Boris Skrbic

    Boris Skrbic Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Because unless you’re learning English in a specific native-speaking environment, ESL tends to use RP or General American, though phonetics experts are open to worldwide accents as long the speaker is being understood. The intent on Star Trek doesn’t seem to be a variety of Earth languages handled by the universal translator, or we would’ve seen some ongoing evidence thereof; it just sounds like everyone is learning English really well.
     
  11. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2019
    Folks who live 45 minutes down the road from me have a different accent from me, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about it. Classroom accents don't usually have that level of influence, and native speakers can be some of the most stubborn about it.
     
    Nyotarules likes this.
  12. Boris Skrbic

    Boris Skrbic Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Yes, but I’m talking about English as a Second Language students (which Picard seems to have been), not native speakers with various native accents.
     
  13. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Location:
    London
    But they retain their regional accent when speaking English or you have to assume the UT is being used, after all we have to pretend Picard really has a French accent, Uhura really has an East African accent, all those aliens are not really learning English from copying American subspace holoTV, that Spock, Linus, Worf accent (Worf should sound Russian) sounds different from their human colleagues and that all those Vulcans/Klingons/Bajorans/Romulans etc do not sound the same to each other, even if humans cannot tell the difference.
    Pretend none of them are really actors from the Anglosphere of Earth, and fans can stop coming up with reasons (tho entertaining) why Picard sounds like a posh Yorkshireman
     
  14. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Location:
    London
    I have had Chinese Mandarin flatmates, Chinese Cantonese flatmates, Spanish flatmates, French flatmates, Haitian flatmates and an English flatmate, all of them speak English using their own accents. I see no reason why the humans in the 23rd century will not do the same. None of the non British had an American accent or RP one.
     
    Kor and NewHeavensNewEarth like this.
  15. Boris Skrbic

    Boris Skrbic Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    But why pretend that if we extrapolate the current predominance of English in global communication into a United Earth that became part of UFP? Some people, like Chekov, might be more proud of their heritage and choose to keep their native accents; others wouldn’t care as much so they’d use a standardized pronunciation; still others would be native speakers with a variety of native accents.
     
  16. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Location:
    My mansion on Qo'noS
    In countries where English is taught from an early age in addition to the local language(s), accents are very common. Michelle Yeoh's first language was English, for example.

    Kor
     
    Nyotarules and BillJ like this.
  17. RandyS

    RandyS Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2007
    Location:
    Randyland
    Yep, that's my take also. Both shows have their charms, just for different reasons.
     
  18. Serveaux

    Serveaux American Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2013
    Location:
    Not Dead Yet
    On the whole, STD is not at all good. It sure looks expensive, though.
     
    Neopeius, CaptainMurdock and BillJ like this.
  19. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2001
    Location:
    Confederate States of America: Trump Edition
    I hope they get their act together as far as the writing goes with season three.
     
    CaptainMurdock likes this.
  20. Serveaux

    Serveaux American Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2013
    Location:
    Not Dead Yet
    Yeah, I'm not real concerned by it. There's enough entertaining stuff on TV...