TOS Enterprise Internals
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Not to mention that the wall angles would make them problematic as actual portholes
I just made a fun discovery. Star Trek Discovery, Season 2, Episode 1. When the Discovery comes upon the Enterprise, a graphic is displayed on screen. Part of it is obscured, but ALL of the data on it comes form the Heavy Cruiser stats from Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual. The only two dimensions visible on screen (and hopefully readable if you can pause the right frame) are the nacelle length and diameter, but also visible are the tonnage, crew compliment, armament, max speed, endurance, launch year, constuction location. Also on that screen (but obscured by the crewman) are the overall length width and height, secondary length and diameter and saucer diameter, and that Pike took over in 2250 after April was in command for 5 years. The ship as pictures (which is very clear in the episode) is the original pre VFX version by John Eaves (before they angled the pylons).
So, it is canon in Dicovery that the nacelles are 153.6 meter long and 17.3 meters in diameter and thus scaling the ship to match TOS and the Enterprise Incident/TMOST drawing. That plus the TNG model wall makes it solid canon for me that the ship is 947 feet long. That is 3 different places we find the same length used. Though I don't consider Discovery Canon, that they used those numbers is significant.
So, it is canon in Dicovery that the nacelles are 153.6 meter long and 17.3 meters in diameter and thus scaling the ship to match TOS and the Enterprise Incident/TMOST drawing. That plus the TNG model wall makes it solid canon for me that the ship is 947 feet long. That is 3 different places we find the same length used. Though I don't consider Discovery Canon, that they used those numbers is significant.
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Are the nacelles of the Discoprise really only 153.8 metres long? The scale of the ship has been pretty well established at 480 metres (to match with the other, larger designs of the DSC aesthetic) so that doesn't seem right. Couple that with the visual inconsistencies (you mentioned the pylons, for instance) and what we are left with with is an onscreen graphic that is better off ignored altogether! IMO
Incidentally, here's a good screencap of that graphic:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20190723091302&path-prefix=en
There are those who argue what is on screen is canon. So I had to share this as it shows that the Enterprise in Discovery is 289 meters long (it is a simple thing to take the nacelle measurements and find the scale of the rest of the ship), so even though that number didn't appear on screen in that episode, it is the scale of the ship. And the number I have seen that they were going for was 457 meters (1500 feet).
I already consider everything about Discovery to be outside of the original TOS universe so I don't really care one way or another, but Jefferies orginal 947 dimension has cropped up on screen (well, his 504 foot long Nacelle at least). As a big supporter of the original 947 scale, this just amuses me to no end.
I already consider everything about Discovery to be outside of the original TOS universe so I don't really care one way or another, but Jefferies orginal 947 dimension has cropped up on screen (well, his 504 foot long Nacelle at least). As a big supporter of the original 947 scale, this just amuses me to no end.
That would be interesting to see if it holds up!
As for the purported length of the Discoprise you could well be right - I took my info from the Eaglemoss scale sheet so it may have been updated since then.
I have come up with two interesting sets. The Herbarium and a new VIP quarters. The Herbarium I drew from Jefferies sketch, but the size is bothering me. Anyone else figure out how big that circular section should be? And the guest quarters appears it might just be the briefing room with a smaller door. It is in And The Children Shall Lead and Is There In Truth No Beauty. I need to better research both of these. I think they might be the lasts sets I need (well, one I already have but am not happy with).
I think the use quarters that Kodos used appears to have more rooms, like a suite. Maybe it was the regular quarters and "spilled out" into the briefing room?
Beyond MJ's design sketches there's precious little info on the "herbarium" size, as far as I know
The guest quarters in ITITNB that Kodos stayed in was just the "wild" section of the set that lay between Kirk's cabin and the Engine Room. It was redressed as various locations throughout the series, including the dining room used by Kirk and Commissioner Bele in LTBYLB.
The guest quarters used by the children in ATCSL (where they first summon the Gorgon) was indeed a redress of the Briefing Room (that blue carpet is a dead giveaway). However, while Briefing Room does indeed have a smaller side door (used in the chapel redress) I don't think it was used in ATCSL, just the main alcove was visible.
The guest quarters in ITITNB that Kodos stayed in was just the "wild" section of the set that lay between Kirk's cabin and the Engine Room. It was redressed as various locations throughout the series, including the dining room used by Kirk and Commissioner Bele in LTBYLB.
The guest quarters used by the children in ATCSL (where they first summon the Gorgon) was indeed a redress of the Briefing Room (that blue carpet is a dead giveaway). However, while Briefing Room does indeed have a smaller side door (used in the chapel redress) I don't think it was used in ATCSL, just the main alcove was visible.
I have the guest quarters from season 1 that Kodos used and there are plans for the unused quarters for Charlie X, but these are different. I didn't pause the episodes to examine it too close, but that is to come. And I did find a second drawing of the Herbarium by Jefferies that is an elevation sketch that looks like the final version of the set. It has a person and the doors so I can try to pull a better scale off of that. Plus the three episodes it was used in (one in a cut sequence that I found stills of).
I thought that was just a briefing room and they were being held there temporarily as Harry Mudd was in "Mudd's Women."
Except that there are no tables in it.
"Herbarium" in ATCSL with dry environment plants and flowers. "Conservatory" in ITITNB with lush bushes and plants. Is the "arboretum" meant to be two different rooms, or do they change the environment and re-plant to simulate the different weather seasons? If we go by Stardates, then over 1.3 years pass between the all the episodes. The unused sequence from EOT (Stardate ~4373) showed a woman suntanning. ATCSL (Stardate ~5030). ITITNB (Stardate ~5630).
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I don't think you can take the stardates that exactly. They are all over the place. It goes from 1300 to 5900 in TOS, and up to 7400 in TAS. They are not in chronological order. So stardates jumping from 4300 to 5600 doesn't mean much. Though by production order there is at least 2 months between them (The Paradise Syndrome). I would say the time period you are looking at is less than 6 months. And 2 months of that is The Paradise Syndrome. Whether or not you want to consider it the same room or not does not impact it for my purposes. It is the same set that I am trying to figure out. Only one wall changes and that particular wall section got shuffled around a lot (the food dispenser).
Suntanning? Can you point me to images so I understand what is meant by this on an enclosed vessel?"Herbarium" in ATCSL with dry environment plants and flowers. "Conservatory" in ITITNB with lush bushes and plants. Is the "arboretum" meant to be two different rooms, or do they change the environment and re-plant to simulate the different weather seasons? If we go by Stardates, then over 1.3 years pass between the all the episodes. The unused sequence from EOT (Stardate ~4373) showed a woman suntanning. ATCSL (Stardate ~5030). ITITNB (Stardate ~5630).
