Torchwood: MD 4x07 - Immortal Sins (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS
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It was revealed in an interview a while back, and implied in this trailer, John de Lancie is with the CIA. In fact, he's higher up than Wayne Knight's character.
Nope. They were the ones who were giving Phi Corp (and Newman, and the assassin...) their orders, the Mysterious Triangle People.
The structure of this episode was so astonishingly artless it was hard to believe that a professional writer turned this out. It seems like the sort of stuff that gives fanfic a bad name. The interaction between Jack and Gwen is painful to watch. The clumsy insertion of flashbacks so that we would have a clue what the cliffhanger is supposed to mean still does leaves everything about this plot entirely unmotivated as yet, even though we have watched hours and hours of this crap.
Softcore gay porn isn't enough to salvage this episode.
Softcore gay porn isn't enough to salvage this episode.
I admit my tolerance is a bit lower for man-on-man, but just becuase I say "too much", i'm no homophobe. Hell, some episodes of Game of Thrones had way too much man-on-woman (and in one case woman-on-woman) sex... I have no objection to a few boobs and penises hanging around, and I don't care in what company, but please, I don't need this much graphic sex in a tv show to get the story point across. If I want to watch softcore porn, I watch that, not my scifi/fantasy series...
More to the point, I found not just the sex, but the whole romantic luv story point long. If that would've been Jack wooing a pretty girl, I would have rolled my eyes just as much.
Establishing Jack and Angelo's love may have been a tad bit too long but I think it was extremely important in what seems to be coming down the pipe in the next episode if John deLancie is indeed Angelo. Espensen needed to build up their past together as much a possible so that the pay off (whatever it is) is that much more impact full later on.
Actually, the Trickster's Brigade is an explicit reference to Doctor Who as well. Not the Weeping Angels, but Turn Left.
Yeah, that's one thing I loved. As soon as Rex's sniper bullet rang out, I did a little cheer of "fuck yeah."
Yeah, I'll agree with that. I thought it was handled well, as well.
Well, it took its time but finally we got there. This should have happened three episodes ago though.
Brilliant ep all round, some great back story, and Nana Visitor! Even if she was only on screen for 30 seconds, it was just great to have her there. Kinda funny for me because I've been rewatching DS9 recently.
Brilliant ep all round, some great back story, and Nana Visitor! Even if she was only on screen for 30 seconds, it was just great to have her there. Kinda funny for me because I've been rewatching DS9 recently.
My only complaint about this episode (and it is a minor one) is that the Flashbacks should have happened earlier in the story. I hate introducing a new character this far into a serial. Having Angelo introduced in episodes three or four, or the flashbacks spread out gradually through various episodes would have been the better choice. (I had the same problem with Book 6 Harry Potter.)
That said, what a beautifully done season/series this is turning out to be. I am thoroughly enjoying the entire run. Barrowman should have been a much bigger actor and somebody out there should be considering him for big budget drama/comedy/action because he can do it all.
That said, what a beautifully done season/series this is turning out to be. I am thoroughly enjoying the entire run. Barrowman should have been a much bigger actor and somebody out there should be considering him for big budget drama/comedy/action because he can do it all.
Whoa! That WAS Nana Visitor??!?!? Awesome! I must have missed her name in the credits. I for some reason thought it was Bebe Neurith, Lilith from Cheers.
Agreed. The flashbacks should've started when Bad Guy of the Week mentioned it was someone from Jack's past. But, we had to waste time for a few episodes.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
I've enjoyed it too. Children of Earth was awesome, perfect, etc, but, truth be told, it is rather intense emotionally, and difficult to rewatch. I actually think, as perfect as COE was, that it could've been a little longer to break up some of that intensity. Watching it week to week was fine, but, watching it in a marathon, can be wrenching
<Waits for the hailstorm>
When Jack popped up on Ellis Island at the beginning, I vaguely remembered him telling the Doctor about discovering he was immortal in "Utopia" on Ellis Island and thought that's what the flashback was gonna show us, but I ended up being very pleased with where it went. The stuff with Jack in the basement was harrowing but good.
The flashbacks are only 30ish years into Jack's exile into Earth; that's plenty of time for his Time Agent armband to deteriorate. More problematic is the fact that Jack seems to know more about his immortality than he does in Torchwood's first season.
The flashbacks are only 30ish years into Jack's exile into Earth; that's plenty of time for his Time Agent armband to deteriorate. More problematic is the fact that Jack seems to know more about his immortality than he does in Torchwood's first season.
I do need to find out if a more or less up to date timeline for Jack Harkness/Face of Bo exists online.
Jack mentioned to the Doctor he had been to Ellis Island but the time shown in the flashback was not that time. The Doctor he referred to Angelo he was talking about was the Ninth Doctor since the flashback took place before he caught up with the Tenth and Martha in "Utopia".
Yet he knew he was a fixed point in time. Something that he didn't know about until Utopia.
Possible continuity error then?
Or as been discussed here, he was unburied for a Torchwood to go on a wee exercise in America. Either way, it doesn't actually matter.
