Jack's coat is a fixed point in time as well.
Torchwood: MD 4x07 - Immortal Sins (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS
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Jack's coat is a fixed point in time as well.
Aren't they gonna get sued by the producers of Boardwalk Empire over that episode? I expected to see Steve Buscemi pop any minute. 
Still, one of the best (perhaps even the best) episode this season so far.
And yeah, the steamy gay sex served some for purpose for once.
Still, one of the best (perhaps even the best) episode this season so far.
And yeah, the steamy gay sex served some for purpose for once.
Put me in a box, call me what you want, I don't want to see it. in fact, I skipped over those parts when I watched this episode, won't sit there through that. It is my right to not want to see it.
She had a recurring role as the Big Bad on Dark Angel in the early 2000s. She also guest-starred in an episode of nuBSG's final season.
Can't remember seeing her in any non-SciFi stuff though.
NV played a main character in Wildfire for its run of several years -- 2005-08, I think.
Another FINALLY here as well. FINALLY an episode where stuff happens. FINALLY an episode where Torchwood aren't idiots (Rex and Esther do something SMART?!?). Good and gripping.
As far as the Gay Sex. Bring it on. I'm a straight guy, but, if gay people have to sit through OUR sex scenes to further the story, then, by god, we should sit through theirs.
The seduction scene when they first get to the apartment, was pretty cool, actually. I liked how, given the period, it was "What would you do to HER"...I thought that was smart. The thing that ruined that moment: the fucking music. Oy. Intrusive.
Why didn't this episode happen episodes ago? We've wasted so much time. The last two could've easily have been one.
Overall, I'm disappointed, but, I'm actually looking forward to the next episode.
As far as the Gay Sex. Bring it on. I'm a straight guy, but, if gay people have to sit through OUR sex scenes to further the story, then, by god, we should sit through theirs.
The seduction scene when they first get to the apartment, was pretty cool, actually. I liked how, given the period, it was "What would you do to HER"...I thought that was smart. The thing that ruined that moment: the fucking music. Oy. Intrusive.
Why didn't this episode happen episodes ago? We've wasted so much time. The last two could've easily have been one.
Overall, I'm disappointed, but, I'm actually looking forward to the next episode.
Awesome episode. Probably my favourite since the first one. I would agree with others as well this finally felt like a Classic Torchwood episode over the others and we finally learn something new about Jack's past and fairly significant too. Angelo would perhaps explain why he is hesitant to commit to a serious relationship with someone (as well as his relationship with John Hart) and he just flirts and has causal sex. Nana Visitor (I'm wondering if she is Angelo's daughter or grand daughter??). Things are getting more interesting.
I didn't care for this one very much. Not so much because of the sex (gee, I wonder if it won't be edited on the BBC, huh?) but I just found it dull. And I really am missing Oswald and Jilly (though the Next Time suggests that their absence might be to interesting effect as both seem to be becoming even more unhinged). The Nana Visitor cameo was cool. But I felt the Angelo scenes played out too long. I will agree it was closer in style to the old Torchwood, but it just didn't work for me. I gave it "Average" based on the strength of the last 15 minutes when it finally took off.
My favorite moment was the invoking of not only a certain Time Lord but - and I laughed when I heard this - a villain more closely associated with the Sarah Jane Adventures! Only RTD would come up with something as twisted as that! (Yeah, I know Turn Left was also connected to the Trickster, but SJA established him as Sarah's equivalent of the Master).
Next week's going to be cool because here in Canada we're supposed to get the new Doctor Who and Torchwood back to back...
Alex
My favorite moment was the invoking of not only a certain Time Lord but - and I laughed when I heard this - a villain more closely associated with the Sarah Jane Adventures! Only RTD would come up with something as twisted as that! (Yeah, I know Turn Left was also connected to the Trickster, but SJA established him as Sarah's equivalent of the Master).
Next week's going to be cool because here in Canada we're supposed to get the new Doctor Who and Torchwood back to back...
Alex
Not you, friend.Okay, fine, I'll dial back on the nitpicking. Jeeze.
Did we really need a NEW person from Jack's past? Good Christ Almighty, Dr. Owen Harper would have been the PERFECT villain from Jack's past and it would have MATTERED to those of us who've been TW fans from the start.
Gods dammit! Fuck! Shit!
Except for the folks like me who would have been pointin' at the screen sayin, "Back the fuck up - he died in a nuclear reactor!!!"
Besides which what would have been Owen's motivation if he did somehow survive? No Jack has enough of a vague past that RTD can continue introducing new people and elements like Angelo and the Brigade.
I assumed that the Trixter Brigade worked for/or copycatted the Trixter, a major cosmic villain from the Sarah-Jane Adventures.
Could you please change the record, gee, I wonder if you can make one post in here where you're not slagging off the British Broadcasting Corporation? Being that you live in Canada and you watch Miracle Day on whichever channel it's shown in Canada, you don't have to watch a version with less gay/straight/other sex, so it's really a non issue, just like you're bemoaning that the Beeb had not announced when they were going to show the new series of Doctor Who a couple of weeks before broadcast.
As you have been told time and again, BBC One needs to editorially justify such scenes more than any other BBC Channel because quite frankly, it's BBC One, it's paid for by the TV Licence and unlike commercial channels like Channel Four, Five and the digital channel BBC Three, it can't get away with more "risqué" themes, it needs to have a point to he story more than, we can do this, it would be cool to do that and to be honest, gay/straight/other sex kinda comes under that.
Anyway, early morning rant over!
I watched it in the wee hours last night (I'll still watch it on Thursday 9pm on BBC One) and quiet enjoyed it, but I've pretty much liked the entire series thus far. I think it is suffering a bit from being ten episodes and not, say eight, also the fact that Children of Earth was such a tour-de-force compared with earlier Torchwood. Like someone else pointed out some where else, I think if watched in a much shorter hit instead of being prolonged over nearly three months, it would come across as much stronger than it is at the moment.
I'll agree that this is easily the best episode since the premiere, and I'm someone who has been enjoying most of the episodes so far this season. I am surprised to see so many negative reactions over the sex scene between Jack and Angelo. I saw nothing wrong with that at all. Aside from seeing a bare ass, there was nothing different from any sex scene I've scene in any other show featuring straight people. Is the fact that this is a gay sex scene really that upsetting to some of you? I thought the year was 2011 and we were supposed to be tolerant of such things?
Anyhoo, on the nitpick side of things, how the hell did Jack get a WWII trenchcoat in 1927? After all, the coat we saw him wearing when we first saw him in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances was left behind on his Chula warship when it blew, thus resulting in him going around in t-shirts and vests for the remainder of his episodes during the Eccleston era. Pretty good that he's found someone who can make him 1940s clothes in the 1920s.
Also, Jack's vortex manipulator seemed to be a more capable device back in 1927. Using it to adjust his papers so that they had Angelo's name on it, then using it as a tool during the mission. We've never seen a vortex manipulator function like this, not Jack's when it was operating in full capacity, not even the one River uses in her Doctor Who appearances. I thought it a bit odd.
So, where the hell was Gwen's dad? Last week, I was just willing to assume that the text message of "we have your father" was simply sent over the lenses while we weren't seeing from their perspective, but no such message seems to have been sent going by the transcript Rex and Esther pulled up on the computer. And more obviously, it is only Gwen's mother, Rhys and the baby we see being held in the episode. So, what happened to her dad?
So let's see if I understand things properly, Angelo and Nana Visitor are the ringleaders of the Mysterious Third Party from a few weeks back, and C. Thomas Howell was working for them? Meanwhile, I assume those three mysterious business men who visited Jack while he was a freak show were with Phi Corp?
Can't wait until next week.
Anyhoo, on the nitpick side of things, how the hell did Jack get a WWII trenchcoat in 1927? After all, the coat we saw him wearing when we first saw him in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances was left behind on his Chula warship when it blew, thus resulting in him going around in t-shirts and vests for the remainder of his episodes during the Eccleston era. Pretty good that he's found someone who can make him 1940s clothes in the 1920s.
Also, Jack's vortex manipulator seemed to be a more capable device back in 1927. Using it to adjust his papers so that they had Angelo's name on it, then using it as a tool during the mission. We've never seen a vortex manipulator function like this, not Jack's when it was operating in full capacity, not even the one River uses in her Doctor Who appearances. I thought it a bit odd.
So, where the hell was Gwen's dad? Last week, I was just willing to assume that the text message of "we have your father" was simply sent over the lenses while we weren't seeing from their perspective, but no such message seems to have been sent going by the transcript Rex and Esther pulled up on the computer. And more obviously, it is only Gwen's mother, Rhys and the baby we see being held in the episode. So, what happened to her dad?
So let's see if I understand things properly, Angelo and Nana Visitor are the ringleaders of the Mysterious Third Party from a few weeks back, and C. Thomas Howell was working for them? Meanwhile, I assume those three mysterious business men who visited Jack while he was a freak show were with Phi Corp?
Can't wait until next week.
