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Too many TOS novels?

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So I love TOS just like any Trekie but I grew up on TNG and DS9 IMO was the best. I was looking at what is coming out and it seems to be mostly TOS novels.

1. Why so many are people losing interest in the 24th century.
2. Why have TOS novels not shifted to JJ Trek?
 
I'm really not the best person to answer the question, but from what I have read, I do not think there is a conscious decision to flood the market with TOS novels or to place emphasis on one series versus another (except, perhaps, during anniversary years in which case Pocket might choose to shine the spotlight more). I guess there just happened to be more TOS stories being pitched and accepted these days. I also can't help but wonder if TOS novels are more commercially successful (it's still an iconic series and might be more recognizable to casual readers and the general public versus, say, DS9 or ENT).

As for "JJ Trek" (or the Abramsverse, or whatever you want to call it), four books were commissioned and written. But Bad Robot put the brakes on releasing these stories because they didn't want the novels to contradict anything that happens on-screen in the feature films. These books have been shelved and no one knows if they'll ever see the light of day.
 
I'm really not the best person to answer the question, but from what I have read, I do not think there is a conscious decision to flood the market with TOS novels or to place emphasis on one series versus another (except, perhaps, during anniversary years in which case Pocket might choose to shine the spotlight more). I guess there just happened to be more TOS stories being pitched and accepted these days. I also can't help but wonder if TOS novels are more commercially successful (it's still an iconic series and might be more recognizable to casual readers and the general public versus, say, DS9 or ENT).

As for "JJ Trek" (or the Abramsverse, or whatever you want to call it), four books were commissioned and written. But Bad Robot put the brakes on releasing these stories because they didn't want the novels to contradict anything that happens on-screen in the feature films. These books have been shelved and no one knows if they'll ever see the light of day.

Really a film the contradicted years of Trek I find that funny lol thanks I never knew that.
 
So I love TOS just like any Trekie but I grew up on TNG and DS9 IMO was the best. I was looking at what is coming out and it seems to be mostly TOS novels.

That's actually not the case. 2011's release schedule included seven new stories set in the 2370s-80s (three TNG, one NF, one DTI, one VGR, one Mirror Universe) and only five set in earlier eras (one ENT, two Vanguard, one TOS, and one in the Lost Era). So far from being mostly TOS, 2011 had hardly any TOS at all. As for 2012, it opens with a strong 23rd-century focus, with two TOS novels, the final VNG novel, and a DTI novel with both TOS and 24th-century elements; but the rest of 2012, as far as we know, will be entirely 24th-century: a Typhon Pact duology, a new Titan novel, a new Voyager novel, and a TNG-era trilogy. So again, TOS constitutes only a fraction of the schedule, and even if you include Vanguard it's still less than half.


1. Why so many are people losing interest in the 24th century.

Clearly they aren't, since 24th-century books still make up the majority of the schedule.


2. Why have TOS novels not shifted to JJ Trek?

J.J. Abrams's Bad Robot Productions makes the decisions about tie-ins to their film continuity, and for whatever reason, they've chosen to focus on comic books and young-adult books for now.

Besides, the movies may have had to recast and restart things in order to revitalize the Kirk era, but in the books we're under no such restriction, and can still tell new stories within the original TOS continuity. So why shouldn't we?


Really a film the contradicted years of Trek I find that funny lol thanks I never knew that.

The film didn't contradict anything, at least no more badly than any prior Trek film has, because it's explicitly in a parallel timeline.
 
One other thing to remember is that Pocket cut back on releasing TOS novels in the lead up to the Abrams movie, to not step on his toes (IIRC that's very close to what Margaret Clark said at the time), so even if there are some more TOS novels now in comparison to previous years I guess you could read it as "catching up" .
 
I must admit that, although they make up most of my cherished Trek Lit memories, I'm less enthusiastic about new TOS novels than any other. Why? There's no room for change or growth among the main cast during the TV series and classic movie eras, and just about everything's been done to death.

My enthusiasm for the era plummeted further when the nuTrek novels (which I'd been anticipating like crazy since before the film's release) were cancelled.
 
There's no room for change or growth among the main cast during the TV series and classic movie eras, and just about everything's been done to death.

I think there's room for change and growth in the span between TOS & TMP, and between TMP & TWOK. That's why I love focusing on that period in works like Ex Machina, Mere Anarchy: The Darkness Drops Again, and the upcoming DTI: Forgotten History -- because it's the period where the characters went through the most change and transition in their lives.
 
Ex Machina was quite good as a story set just after TMP. It was the first new TOS novel I had read in years. Spock was written wonderfully. I enjoyed it a lot.
 
I find there to be a big difference between TOS novels and TOS-era ones; I'm much more invested in Vanguard than I am in any of the recent works involving the "TV cast" (the odd cameo arrivals at Starbase 47 notwithstanding).

Personally, I would like to see a new ship/base/crew take up the reins once Vanguard comes to an end; not necessarily a follow-up, but rather a fresh means of exploring the time period away from the bridge of the big E.

(Well, aside from the ones I can already read about over in the SFU, that is.)
 
^Thank you!


Of course, you are most welcome, sir! I especially enjoyed reading how Spock had changed his outlook since the 5 year mission, and was continuing a journey he started with the first feature film. It was...captivating and I could not put it down. And that is no exaggeration.
 
We should avoid jumping to the assumption that there's some grand design or deliberate policy involved. I have a new TOS book coming out next month, but it's based on an outline I submitted way back in 2009 and that kept getting postponed for various reasons (including me writing other books for other series). That it's finally coming out now has nothing to do with any grand editorial policy to emphasize TOS, but simply because this is when we finally got around to doing it . . . .

Sometimes it's just an accident, not a plan.

I swear to God, nobody at Pocket Books called me up and ordered me to write a TOS book. It's more like I kept bugging them to let me write this book.

("So, you remember that old outline I submitted to Margaret back in 2009? We ever going to do that book?")
 
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I don't know quite why, but the original series is the only one where I have strong interest in during-the-series novels. Further adventures of The Next Generation Season 4, Deep Space Nine Season 3, &c., don't really grab me, but I'd gladly read new novels set during the original Season 2 until James T. Kirk was on duty fifty hours a day to fill all the time needed.
 
I don't know quite why, but the original series is the only one where I have strong interest in during-the-series novels. Further adventures of The Next Generation Season 4, Deep Space Nine Season 3, &c., don't really grab me, but I'd gladly read new novels set during the original Season 2 until James T. Kirk was on duty fifty hours a day to fill all the time needed.


Possibly because TOS wasn't about any continuing story arcs or character development like modern shows tend to be. Reading an old-fashioned TOS adventure is more like revisiting Doc Savage or Sherlock Holmes one more time. You don't really expect them to move on with their lives; you just want to visit Baker Street again. Or the Starship Enterprise.

At least that's the way I see it.
 
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Way too many TOS books set during the five year mission - they must have been having a major event every day or so...

If there must be more TOS novels there are plenty of gaps - between TMP and TWOK for instance.

I'm really enjoying Cast No Shadow at the moment !
 
Way too many TOS books set during the five year mission - they must have been having a major event every day or so...


Honestly, that doesn't bother me. It's like wondering where the Hardy Boys or Nancy Drew found time to investigate all those mysteries. Long-running series tend to defy realistic time constraints!
 
Way too many TOS books set during the five year mission - they must have been having a major event every day or so...

Well, there are always alternate timelines.

I was sorely tempted, while writing DTI: Forgotten History, to postulate that the Enterprise underwent some kind of time-travel or time-loop phenomenon that could explain how they could have far more than five years' worth of adventures in a five-year mission. Like, maybe when they came back from their mission in "Assignment: Earth," they came back a year early or something. But I couldn't think of something that would've really made sense, and it would've been way too much of an inside joke.
 
I happen to think having too many adventures with Kirk is a good thing for metaphysical reasons, keeping in mind that it is only to us that he may be having these adventures, so it makes you think and wonder what is happening and if there is something wrong, but in a good way. The grand design (good conspiracy) being inherent within that thus far disguised. I'll buy Rings of Time if the concept is original enough only which is to say it should at least be as good as a tv episode.
 
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Possibly because TOS wasn't about any continuing story arcs or character development like modern shows tend to be. Reading an old-fashioned TOS adventure is more like revisiting Doc Savage or Sherlock Holmes one more time. You don't really expect them to move on with their lives; you just want to visit Baker Street again. Or the Starship Enterprise.

At least that's the way I see it.


Greg, that's a pretty good way to look at it.
 
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