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Too Fat Size 8 Model thrown Off Tv Catwalk.

Marilyn Monroe was a size 16. Sad to think she'd never make it at that size today.
 
Marilyn Monroe was a size 16. Sad to think she'd never make it at that size today.

She wasn't always a size 16. By the time she reached that size she was already a superstar, so her size wasn't a career breaker, as you are suggesting.
 
Marilyn Monroe was a size 16. Sad to think she'd never make it at that size today.

She was never a catwalk model, but she did pose for Playboy.

Most women who pose for Playboy now wouldn't get work as fashion models either - what with them not being 16 years old and having breasts and all.

Yes, having breasts does seem to preclude you being a catwalk model these days. But, can we say Twiggy? Anyone?

Marilyn Monroe was a size 16. Sad to think she'd never make it at that size today.

She wasn't always a size 16. By the time she reached that size she was already a superstar, so her size wasn't a career breaker, as you are suggesting.

She was still bigger than most catwalk models, even those that were popular during her day.
 
Not at all. Some actresses are too thin but they are in the minority. You have to remember that when people are young they are naturally slim but as they get older they have to let themselves pad out a bit or they end up looking like Rene Russo who looked so appalling nobody would hire her. Some of the fortysomethings on the likes of Desperate Housewives are pushing it, and look pretty dreadful with their kit off. Angelina Jolie is heading that way. The argument was that MM was a size 16 so wouldn't have had a career nowadays. I'm saying that isn't so because she was slim when she was young. Nobody says christ Meryl Streep is fat, she'd never make it as an actress nowadays.
 
More like, even in her prime, she was too curvy to have made it as a catwalk model. Regardless of the why, she still wouldn't have made it.
 
In other words our ideas of beauty are constantly changing so women and men should worry more about character building than body sculpting?
 
Marilyn Monroe was a size 16. Sad to think she'd never make it at that size today.

Wait, a size 16? Are sizes different today? I remember Buffalo Bill cutting up size 14 girls and those girls were certainly chunkier than Marilyn. Bill even called one of them a "great big fat person", although being a psychotic, trans-gender wanna be, serial killer maybe his opinion was a little skewed.
 
Marilyn Monroe was a size 16. Sad to think she'd never make it at that size today.

Wait, a size 16? Are sizes different today? I remember Buffalo Bill cutting up size 14 girls and those girls were certainly chunkier than Marilyn. Bill even called one of them a "great big fat person", although being a psychotic, trans-gender wanna be, serial killer maybe his opinion was a little skewed.

Women's sizes are constantly being adjusted as they're calculated on a sliding scale of mathemtaics that science has yet to ponder. It's new Fermat's Last Theorem.

The "Size 8" model? Not fat in any sense of the word.
 
In other words our ideas of beauty are constantly changing so women and men should worry more about character building than body sculpting?

Where's this 'our ideas' stuff come from? What about their ideas? Or is it the case that every time you comb your hair or have a shave that you're expending time and energy for no other reason than to gratify others?
 
More like, even in her prime, she was too curvy to have made it as a catwalk model. Regardless of the why, she still wouldn't have made it.

A catwalk model, with very few exceptions, is not an actor. No actor would ever choose to be one, once they were established as an actor. A very few catwalk models have successfully changed careers to acting. MM was at no time a catwalk model.
 
In other words our ideas of beauty are constantly changing so women and men should worry more about character building than body sculpting?

I character build and body sculpt.
My character? Comedian.
My sculpted body? From mashed potatoes.

I am the Renaissance Man.
 
There's actually a good utilitarian reason why fashion models look the way they do. They are essentially meant to be walking hangars and being thin they don't disrupt the flow of the clothing they are wearing too much. Probably the "ideal" of beauty in our culture, rather than fashion models, is the Playboy Playmate, but you'll never see them modeling on the catwalk simply because they are too curvy to show off the clothes the way the designer wants. Being too heavy to model is not a commentary on any standard of beauty in our culture it is just a necessary tool for the job.

I don't buy it

It certainly isn't how girls look at it either

Exactly. Besides, hang your clothes on a mannequin and not on a starved human being if that's your goal. It's a stupid reason and it causes lots of misery and eating disorders amongst girls and women.
 
^The fashion industry doesn't care about that. They don't use realistic male models either.

The choice of models is indicative of the industry's target market. They are only interested in selling clothes to women - yes, even men's clothing part of the industry is targeted at women.
 
^The fashion industry doesn't care about that. They don't use realistic male models either.

The choice of models is indicative of the industry's target market. They are only interested in selling clothes to women - yes, even men's clothing part of the industry is targeted at women.


I realise that. It doesn't mean I have to like it. But you're right, of course.
 
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