What's the standard?
To me, this 2 minute video is better than anything Alex Kurtzman has done
It is a rapidly moving target that no one has ever actually seen.
Everything is a cliche by now. Everything said has now been said a million times already by others. Except this. Mint chocolate ice cream is the best tasting ice cream. I am literally the only person on the planet that believes this.
The standard is subjective of course. Me I think SNW is the current standard in which all modern Trek should aspire to. Well that and Star Trek:Orville.
Yet, it doesn't fit very well with TNG. Pike is a demonstrably different leader than Picard or Kirk, taking a more relational approach to a more subordinate approach.The standard is subjective of course. Me I think SNW is the current standard in which all modern Trek should aspire to. Well that and Star Trek:Orville.
TNG used to be the standard. Now it's SNW. And how has SNW similar to the clip that the OP posted?
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DRINK!The standard is subjective of course. Me I think SNW is the current standard in which all modern Trek should aspire to. Well that and Star Trek:Orville.
The OP was making the argument that the clip is the standard. Not me. I think the clip is awesome and it opens to door up maybe to some different kind of storytelling but to me SNW is the standard for a few reasons. It captures the spirit and essence of Trek while also being modern enough to not feel tired. I like how it doesn't get overtaken by tech talk. I also like, for the most part the more modern day speech, though they do use modern slang a little to much IMO and that was like the one bad lesson it brought over from Discovery. Seems kind of sloppy seeing characters give each other fist bumps and call something awesome or things like that.
It's certainly in my personal top three
I love it. Next behind it is Strawberry Ice Cream and Peppermint.
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Exactly! *phew*
You're not! Right behind you on Mint Choc Chip!
As much as I do like this, am fascinated by the work they are doing at the Roddenberry archive and am proud of the contributions from some of our very own Trek BBS alumni to this project … this is not what I ever would want mainline Star Trek to become. If all Trek would ever do is try to continue previous episodes or movies and replicate their look (even to the point where they recreate dead actors), it would become soulless, uninspired, pointless and a mere novelty. I always want new folks to come in and present their interpretation, their vision of Trek. Or in other words: Going to a live show of a cover band of a band you like can be cool and entertaining, but I’d rather have a new album by the original band, even if some of its members have changed over the years and they sound differently now.
Also, I think some of the over-the-top vitriol directed at Alex Kurtzman has reached a point where it’s beyond parody, and it reminds me of the overblown backlash Rick Berman and Brannon Braga have gotten over the years. I’ve been highly critical of some of the productions he’s been involved in, but at the end of the day he’s just one guy overseeing several productions with a multitude of creatives involved. Say about him what you will, but he’s also directly responsible for bringing back Star Trek at all. Plus, there’s some behind-the-scenes stories that paint a rather pleasant picture of a guy who’s a champion for underrepresented, marginalized creatives getting a shot at being involved in the shows. And whatever you might think of the productions he’s been involved with, this is a genuinely cool character trait.
A short, wordless video like this I could see interspersed with more conventional storytelling…it would contrast well with Sorkin’s walk-and-talk, aboard DS9 say…a segue into “I wonder what [blank] is doing…”
You keep the past of Trek a bit mythical…that way.
Towards the end of the series, a descendant on a holodeck sees the current characters distantly perhaps.
You keep the past of Trek a bit mythical…that way.
Towards the end of the series, a descendant on a holodeck sees the current characters distantly perhaps.
Kurtzman hate is basically air kisses being blown his way compared to the way people hated on Rick Berman. Berman is still the Alpha Devil of Trek, even this day and now that we know he was kind of sexist and maybe racist it has even gotten worst for him. Use to be it was only because people felt he held creatives back with his hate for music and refusal to bend on Roddenberry rules and afraid to take chances like having LGBTQ quarters.
I think Berman knew not to rock the boat with his bosses, and so put his own job security over David Gerrold and GR's plans of doing "Blood and Fire", having men in skirts and gay couples in Ten Forward. That's just my take.
Of course now we're a far more open society (or try to be, not everyone is) and so you've got Discovery with the whole spectrum of LGBTQIA+ people... which makes it the prime target of the "not everyone" crowd. But if they need to be completionists and watch all of Star Trek, they'll see it. And the more gays you see, the more normal it gets. And that's a good thing.
Of course now we're a far more open society (or try to be, not everyone is) and so you've got Discovery with the whole spectrum of LGBTQIA+ people... which makes it the prime target of the "not everyone" crowd. But if they need to be completionists and watch all of Star Trek, they'll see it. And the more gays you see, the more normal it gets. And that's a good thing.
Roddenberry talked a lot and made tons of empty promises, I don't believe he ever truly intended to have LGBTQ characters on TNG, he easily could have if he wanted to, lots of shows in the 80s had them, it wasn't common but also not unheard of so I doubt the studio would have stopped them.
Blood and Fire was a bad script judging by the fan film that was ultimately produced. I don't know how much it was rewritten when it turned from a TNG script into a TOS script but the story was atrocious. There's a gay couple, one of them gets space aids which means he and all the other infected must be killed (WTF?!) and after a lot of back and forth he dies and his devastated partner leaves the ship. Complete and utter crap and it was rightfully rejected for being an awful idea and had it been made as a TNG episode it would have been seen as offensive. It's literally burying the gays and also completely falls flat as an AIDS allegory because it portrays the infected as a danger to society.
I saw something recently – can't remember where – that pointed out that the Star Trek truly closest to "Roddenberry's vision" is Star Trek: The Motion Picture and season one of TNG, both of which are often maligned as being simply not very good, even by die-hard fans. (I'll defend TMP all day, but despite being a massive TNG fan I'll freely admit season one is the eggiest of curate's eggs.)
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