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TNG Returns!

ever since XFiles came back i been thinking this would happen. with Stewart as Admiral Picard. Capt Riker of the Ent F, maybe Wesley as the ExO.
I've always found that odd about Riker being in command of any future 1701 where it's well known the character had a deep fondness for the Galaxy Class. I was shocked to learn the USS Titan was not a Galaxy Class vessel, it's unlike Riker to accept a command which was not similar to 1701-D.

As for Picard coming back? Not a fan of the idea, to me it's creative bankruptcy at it's peak, but since it's happening. I doubt he would accept the rank of Admiral, but if the writers and producers are smart; they should start the new series where Q was wonderfully left off... in the court room confronting Picard. Trial of humanity is not over. Picard was perplexed at what he was talking about by the end of "All Good Things...". Q looked as if he was about to whisper something in Picard's ear, but said nothing and later shouts back at him that he would find out. This limited series should be about what Picard found out?
 
I get the feeling Riker getting offered the Titan came with the caveat of 'accept this, or we will NEVER offer you another'. Plus, he had just married Troi, and his life was in a good place, all around. Plus he was getting older, and I think all that made him realize it was time to start a new chapter of his life.
 
When Picard hits the screen again star trek will experience a surge in interest never before seen in television history
Its akin to Nimoy coming back (around the same time away - 18y if 2020) but maybe more so as PS is a big movie star since the show ended and this his return to the character on the small screen so makes it a real event (more so than a follow up movie toNemesis could be), the series will focus on him as the main character (not just a extended cameo in a big budget summer movie) and more character stuff/less need for action stuff to compete with all the latest blockbusters,
 
The only way this works is they return to the TNG aesthetic ...no one wants to see Picard dumped in to the middle to JJ Trek looking-lens flaring sets and decoration. People are longing for the "old look" which still holds up. Its one of the reasons THE ORVILLE has done so well.
 
Oh, The Orville has more going on than "the aesthetic" - but yeah, that's part of the appeal.

I think Picard can do just fine in the bright colorful visual JJTrek universe; not so much the design suckage that has been STD.
 
You know someone who would be a good writer for aging starfleet captains? Nick Meyer. He should have been put on this show.
Have you seen Undiscovered Country? The premise was good. The execution was severely lacking.
 
He was also a big part of STAR TREK II... it also dealt with Kirk and his accepting that promotion basically made him old before his time.

And by the way, if STAR TREK II didn't do as well as it did or be as good as it was, we wouldn't have gotten 11 more films, well over 600 episodes across 5 spinoffs (and the Picard one, making 6), all the novels and comics of those spinoffs...

My point being that Nicholas Meyer deserves some credit in helping bring about essentially a revival of STAR TREK.
 
Deserving credit for good work done decades ago and being the right person to helm a TV series in 2018 are not the same thing.
 
wow you've just made me realise the TNG reboot that's been in everyones minds the past few years (since 2009 really) is absolutely dead now .. ok it was never a solid thing just ppl imagining whod play who (Hiddleston/Data, Chastain/Crusher etc)..but now..wow it cant happen at least anytime soon
Good!
 
Deserving credit for good work done decades ago and being the right person to helm a TV series in 2018 are not the same thing.

True. But I wouldn't dismiss the man out of hand simply because so many years have passed.

Besides, this was idle speculation, anyway.
 
The more I think about this, the more I dislike this news and the more I realize that Hollywood is slowly becoming incapable of originality.
 
Have you seen Undiscovered Country? The premise was good. The execution was severely lacking.

Severely lacking? In what way? It's not Wrath of Khan but much better than the "Marshamellons" and Row Row Row your boat that preceded it, let alone this:

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Meyer managed to restore some sense of dignity to these characters in sending them into the sunset, despite operating on a shoestring budget.
 
And the CBS execs have lavished fawning praise on Michael Chabon as a writer, who, despite the fact he won a Pulitzer for fiction, is currently writing a screenplay for, of all things, M.A.S.K., which is a second-rate Transformers ripoff from the 80s and has crud like John Carter on his resume.
M.A.S.K. is not bad. The toys sold very well and many are still fans to this day (hence the reason for the film).
 
The only way this works is they return to the TNG aesthetic ...no one wants to see Picard dumped in to the middle to JJ Trek looking-lens flaring sets and decoration. People are longing for the "old look" which still holds up. Its one of the reasons THE ORVILLE has done so well.

Trek going back to the "old look" of TNG would be like if a Kirk-centric TV show in the 80s returned to the TOS aesthetic. No thanks. That doesn't mean there's only that and what DISCOVERY is doing. Each Trek show has at least tried to establish their own visual identity. Aside from Okudagrams, the 24th century shows TNG, DS9, and VOY were all designed to have an aesthetic that was unique to them, rather than taking a more uniform approach to match the same era they took place in. VOY would be a less interesting show if it had simply continued the same relatively static camerawork style and production design of TNG.

However this Picard show turns out, I hope it establishes its own visual identity to make it unique. New uniforms, new production design, etc. If TMP can radically change the aesthetic of the 23rd century despite only being two and a half years after TOS, I'm sure it's not unreasonable to expect the Picard show to look different from NEMESIS set after 20 years.
 
Severely lacking? In what way? It's not Wrath of Khan but much better than the "Marshamellons" and Row Row Row your boat that preceded it, let alone this:

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Meyer managed to restore some sense of dignity to these characters in sending them into the sunset, despite operating on a shoestring budget.
(major flaws, in no particular order)
1. two dimensional klingon arc
2. starfleets language expert, who has dealt with the klingons for roughly 15 years, needs to read klingon out of a dictionary when someone sabotages the ships language database (it makes Uhura look very stupid.)
3. the overt bigotry of the heros and unsubtle racist/communist overtones directed at the klingons. It's a very cheap way of making the villains "evil". Koenig and Nichols had major issues with the script.
4. the magic plot device to track Kirk and Bones on Rura Penthe, complete with Changs almost-reveal. (this is less "major" but still a flaw).
5. unsympathetic tragic heroine-turned-vilain (valeris).
6. kirk waltzing back from the dead just in time to save the day.

For a more comprehensive list, i'd have to watch the movie all over again, or reread the plot summary from memory alpha; neither of which particularly interests me.
That said, TWOK did a far better job, gave more definition and weight to both character and plot.
In order, my favorite TOS movies are TWOK, TVH, and TUC. TSFS is "ok" and TFF and TMP don't exist, as far as im concerned.
 
...Kirsten Beyer being Trek alumni also didn't stop her from writing absolute crap for Discovery...

Looking at the writing credits, she is credited with the Pahvo episode, which was a good character piece for Saru. Not great, and and little underwhelming after the hype it was getting beforehand from the cast and crew, but not crap. Did she have other credits I am missing?

Nah, the Golden age of Star Trek was when Shatner and Stewart shared the cover of Time magazine together. That's as big as Trek ever got. This is certainly a wonderful new era of Trek goodness to be sure, but not quite a "golden age" in comparison.

So, "Sliver Age" it is then. :D

I was going to make that same point. Although I imagine the TNG characters would show up in some compacity, this seems like it's a Picard show, and not a TNG revival.

They have to bring back some 24th century cast. If nothing else, Stewart is so close to them, and if this is really going to be a personal story about Picard how can they not involve his "family" from the Ent-D and -E?

Well maybe there can just be no Klingons at all. Ron D Moore isn't involved, is he? We don't need to have all Klingons all the time. It's my admittedly minority opinion that the introduction of Klingons in S4 of DS9 was a bad move, especially when season 3 was setting up the Romulans for a more prominent role. I think we can thank the influence of RDM for that, and for the tedious introduction of Worf.

Don't hurt me.

As far as I understand it, the studio suits were the ones to push for the introduction of the Klingons, and I don't think they pushed the Romulans out, but rather pushed the development of the Dominion War back. Also, don't blame Moore for the Klingons - he was labeled "the Klingon guy" because he had wrote a few early episodes on TNG about them, and thus he became the in-house expert. I don't think he was pushing for the Klingons to be more/always involved.

Read fade in by Michael piller.
Stewart and Spiner let ego get in the way of story.

I think that is a little exaggerated. From what I remember, Pillar and Berman and the others in charge of crafting Insurrection were always keeping in mind what Stewart would like, but not that Stewart was driving things. I specifically remember Piller talking about how he thought Stewart might negatively react to something that Piller had thought of for he movie that might put Picard in a negative light, but that Stewart was mellow and cool with it.

I just don't see that happening. This show seems to be a vehicle for Patrick Stewart. It's a Picard story, not a "let's catch up with the old crew or other crews" story. As for more 24th century shows....we'll see. These things are expensive and I don't really see them making an investment in something they'd have to create from whole cloth. It makes more sense for them to spin-off in the current DSC era in order to reuse a lot of stuff...

I think it is much more likely (since they are already getting their money's worth out of the Discovery sets by reusing them as a variety of ships and locations), that this Picard show will be a jumping off point for more 25th century Trek. Put a lot of money into this big splashy Picard/24th century revival, and then spin that into other 25th century properties - ameliorating the costs.

I really don't want it to involve the Borg, but let's be honest here, it will involve the Borg. DIS people already said that they'd like to redesign the Borg, but considering it is mostly the same people, they might have been referring this project. And at least it would make more sense here. Anyway, if that happens, it would be cool to have Picard work with Seven.'Professor Annika Hansen, Federation's foremost Borg expert.'

I hadn't heard about the "DIS people" (i.e., the makeup and alien guys) wanting to redo the Borg...I don't really like the Idea of having them appear in Discovery. That just further messes with the timeline that Voyager already broke with the story of the Hansons. (ENT and "Regeneration" was a good way of doing it, suspenseful, and fitting to the outcome from First Contact). That said, I would be interested in seeing what they could do with the costumes, make-up, and effects for the Borg in the 25th century (though I wouldn't want to whole show to involve the Borg, just one small story line maybe).

If I become emperor of Trek, this series will see a Jem'Hadar incursion against DS9, and Ambassador Picard, Captain Worf, and Captain Kira will go through the wormhole to seek out the Dominion for an explanation, picking up Sisko and Odo on the way

I would watch this.

The only way this works is they return to the TNG aesthetic ...no one wants to see Picard dumped in to the middle to JJ Trek looking-lens flaring sets and decoration. People are longing for the "old look" which still holds up. Its one of the reasons THE ORVILLE has done so well.

I could see the designs going to a very sharp edge silver and chrome look instead of Voyager's (and other shows like the Expanse) blue ascetic for the future (see VOY's "Relativity")

Have you seen Undiscovered Country? The premise was good. The execution was severely lacking.

I think Undiscovered Country is great and almost perfect on most levels.

The more I think about this, the more I dislike this news and the more I realize that Hollywood is slowly becoming incapable of originality.

I can't really imagine what it would be like to hear about a new Picard/25th century Trek show and think for even a second that it was in any way bad news or lacking in originality. That just blows my mind.
 
A Abrams look would be fine since the show is going to be 20 years into the future and also makes more sense than it does with "Discovery." Plus Picard will work okay because he did fine in the movie's and they had different looks. NOt all of them had good scripts but there are moments were Picard still works, especially in "First Contact" and even "Generations." Heck this is even the case in something like 'Yesterday's Enterprise."

Jason
 
(major flaws, in no particular order)

2. starfleets language expert, who has dealt with the klingons for roughly 15 years, needs to read klingon out of a dictionary when someone sabotages the ships language database (it makes Uhura look very stupid.)
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One more time: nowhere in TOS is it ever established that Uhura is some sort of brilliant "language expert." She's an expert on communications technology and very skilled at her job, but point to the episode where she's previously shown to be fluent in Klingon or any other alien language. The popular notion that she's a super-linguist comes from fanon, not the actual shows or movies. It's a fan theory at best. (At least until the reboot.)

Yes, one can certainly make a case for why it would behoove a Starfleet communications officier to be a trained linguist as well, but the fact remains ST VI was hardly in error for not being consistent with something that had never actually been established onscreen in the first place! :)

And, yes, I love The Undiscovered Country. It's my third-favorite Trek movie, after Khan and the whales. (I guess I really like Nicholas Meyer's take on Trek.)
 
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