Spoilers Timeless Season 2 - SPOILERS
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I did. I live in the Mountain time zone, which means I don't get to see most shows until 2 hours later.
Don't bet on it working though. (Link to a review of "To Kill a Legend")
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Or a Moira Queen.
Oh, by the way, I was meaning to ask -- what's that song that they used under the opening recap of last season? I've been hearing it everywhere lately. It was in the trailers to the Murder on the Orient Express remake, and in some other movie trailer I saw a while ago, and in some commercial I heard literally minutes ago, reminding me I wanted to ask this. What is it and why is it suddenly ubiquitous?
"Believer" by Imagine Dragons, and I don't know why it's ubiquitous, but a lot of people roll their eyes at it, based on what I've seen online.
Yeah, I was a bit confused by the late time to, and the fact that it doesn't really seem to be any more family friendly than it already was.
The episode itself was pretty good, I liked the WWI and Curies stuff, and the Rittenhouse was OK. It was interesting seeing a new side of Lucy's mom.
Just watched the season 2 premiere on Hulu, after I remembered that it was coming back. I enjoyed that episode. And then I read that they've put it on a really weird timeslot on Sundays, and the ratings were down from last year. *Sigh.....* I guess we should just be happy we're getting another 10 episodes.
NBC saved Star Trek from cancellation. They saved Chuck from cancellation....twice. Now they've done it with Timeless. They're generous with certain shows (and shows that I like). And although I don't want it to go, I have a feeling that this is all we're gonna get.
So I'm going to savor this. Rufus is great. Lucy is great. Jiya is adorable. The history is fun in a "Highlander" sort of way. I'd love to see what they could do with a bigger budget. Is it too much to ask for Netflix to get in on this if NBC axes it again?
NBC saved Star Trek from cancellation. They saved Chuck from cancellation....twice. Now they've done it with Timeless. They're generous with certain shows (and shows that I like). And although I don't want it to go, I have a feeling that this is all we're gonna get.
So I'm going to savor this. Rufus is great. Lucy is great. Jiya is adorable. The history is fun in a "Highlander" sort of way. I'd love to see what they could do with a bigger budget. Is it too much to ask for Netflix to get in on this if NBC axes it again?
Also Quantum Leap. It always struggled in the ratings, but NBC's then-president Brandon Tartikoff was a big fan, and his support for the show kept it on the air.
They're budget's already seems to be pretty big, they certainly do a lot bigger stuff than similar shows like Legends of Tomorrow.
Well the reason I said that is primarily because of the planes in the episode. By 1918, aerial battles in WW1 were absolutely ridiculous, with so many planes in the sky in was like a cloud of angry bees. The episode gave us 2 or 3, and that was fine, it's just that my mind immediately thought "There should be many more. I wonder if the budget was bigger, they could render more planes....."
I guess what I was wondering was why the song was chosen for use here. Like, if it had some kind of a historical focus. That might explain why it was used for a period piece like Orient Express, or at least its trailers. But I looked up the lyrics online just now, and I can't see anything particularly historical about them.
Okay, that's a crossover that hadn't occurred to me... (checks fanfiction.net) and apparently hasn't to anyone else.
Maybe that's an idea for NaNoWriMo.
Actually now that you mention it, a crossover would be hilarious. Lucy swooning over Duncan MacLeod. I know it's a cliche trope, but I think it would happen. Duncan IS living history, with centuries of experiences, and he's a stud. Lucy would be bowled over and Wyatt would be jealous. Rufus would be all like "So lemme get this straight. They live forever until they get in swordfights and one of them cuts the other guy's head off? And then there's a freak lightning storm? How come this has never shown up on Youtube?"Okay, that's a crossover that hadn't occurred to me... (checks fanfiction.net) and apparently hasn't to anyone else.
Maybe that's an idea for NaNoWriMo.
And Rittenhouse is basically like an evil form of the Watchers.....Yeah, it could definitely work.
Encountering the same Immortal(s) in different time periods would definitely have some conflict-via-misunderstanding potential, as Our Heroes no doubt assumed yet another time-travelling faction was at work and the Immortal(s) would insist that There Can Be Only One...
It's a Billboard Top Ten song and the band is really popular right now, so that gives it a lot more promotional value for whoever uses it. Imagine Dragons have also been very friendly about sharing the rights to use their songs in movies, TV, games, trailers, and commercials for the past several years. Their songs Radioactive, Warrior, and I'm on Top of the World were used as often as Believer, and their song Friction was just featured in the M:I - Fallout trailer among others; in short they're everywhere. Their songs tend to have mostly inoffensive lyrics that make them a good fit for family friendly trailers and primetime TV promos and they have simple titles and choruses that can be adapted to a wide variety of interpretations and genres.
For instance, Believer was written about the lead singer's experience suffering from a severe form of arthritis and other things that caused him pain like anxiety and depression, and the things that helped him recover. But you can easily make the song about religion or fanaticism (I think I saw it being used in either the recent Branch Davidian miniseries or the Aaron Paul cult show The Path), about a police drama or detective film where the cop/detective believes the victim's story, about someone believing in a weird monster or mythical creature in a fantasy or horror movie, etc.
As far as why it was chosen for the Timeless "previously on..." sequence, I suppose it represents how the Rittenhouse operatives and Flynn are fanatical true believers in their respective causes, and how our team will have to walk a fine line between dedication to the mission and not compromising their own values, as Lucy's especially were challenged in this episode.
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^Good analysis. Thanks!
I just watched the season 2 premiere. In general, I like the setup better than season 1. The tone seams darker and I like the new secret base better than Mason Industries. Rittenhouse feels more sinister now. Although, their plan seems haphazard and bit ridiculous. The look of WW1 was fantastic. Timeless continues to impress with its representation of the past.
As for the plan with the sleep agents. So, if there are sleeper agents back in the past, shouldn't they have already woken by 2018?! The plan has already succeeded or failed from the perspective of 2018. And, it sounds like they were developing sleeper agents in different time periods, which is also silly. The activities of agents further back in time are likely to overwrite the activities of agents a little later in time. And, it sounded like Rittenhouse was setting up these different cells from one synchronized assault on history. But, they're in different time periods so they'll never be synchronized. The whole thing is silly.
Go back in time to one point, and make changes there. See how that affects the timeline. Go to a slightly later point and make refinements. Wash, rinse, and repeat. Planting sleeper agents in different time periods makes no sense.
Despite the silliness of the plan, it was good to see the team back in action. I like the characters. I like the representation of different eras. Time travel is fun (although potentially frustrating).
Oh, and was I hearing things or did they say that in the current 2018, someone else wrote Mein Kampf besides Hitler?! Was that a little hint that their 2018 is very different than ours? I suppose an advantage of being set in an isolated base makes that fact easier to hide from the audience until a planned reveal.
As for the plan with the sleep agents. So, if there are sleeper agents back in the past, shouldn't they have already woken by 2018?! The plan has already succeeded or failed from the perspective of 2018. And, it sounds like they were developing sleeper agents in different time periods, which is also silly. The activities of agents further back in time are likely to overwrite the activities of agents a little later in time. And, it sounded like Rittenhouse was setting up these different cells from one synchronized assault on history. But, they're in different time periods so they'll never be synchronized. The whole thing is silly.
Go back in time to one point, and make changes there. See how that affects the timeline. Go to a slightly later point and make refinements. Wash, rinse, and repeat. Planting sleeper agents in different time periods makes no sense.
Despite the silliness of the plan, it was good to see the team back in action. I like the characters. I like the representation of different eras. Time travel is fun (although potentially frustrating).
Oh, and was I hearing things or did they say that in the current 2018, someone else wrote Mein Kampf besides Hitler?! Was that a little hint that their 2018 is very different than ours? I suppose an advantage of being set in an isolated base makes that fact easier to hide from the audience until a planned reveal.
I agree that simultaneous attacks do not make sense. Not just for the reasons you mention but also because, the very concept of simultaneity does not make sense when dealing with different time periods. Even if you give the order in 2018 to all the agents at the same time, the attacks would still happen in the chronological order of the time periods that the agents are in. So the attack in say 1876 would happen before the attack in 1987. Maybe Rittenhouse is planning to give the order in 2018 at the same time and figures the different agents are just there for redundancy sake. Some agents might fail so the more agents in time, the more likely that at least some will succeed at producing the desired effects. Or, maybe Rittenhouse needs several changes in history working together to produce the desired outcome so they need agents in different time periods all disrupting key events. But you are right that there would be a risk that a successful disruption in an earlier time period would cancel out the disruption in a later period.
I do think that your solution makes the most sense: cause a disruption, see the effect, then cause a disruption earlier in time, etc. In your scenario, the different agents are just pre-positioned in history just in case they are needed, but would not actually do anything "all at once".
From what Rufus said about the manifesto describing a future like Hunger Games and Jiya's apocalyptic visions, it seems that Rittenhouse wants to alter history in a very radical way. So my guess, is they need a lot of major changes to history in order to produce such a radically different future.
That was one of the reasons I mentioned about why it didn't make sense. If you have agents in different time periods, by definition they won't be synchronized! "All at once" is impossible across different time periods!
I wouldn't even pre-position agents. You don't know what change each time alteration will cause. Those changes will affect the agents but also their mission.
Instead, make one change in the most distant time period. Study the effects. Then plan the next change. Maybe you need to pre-position agents before that next alteration. If so, you just place them 10 years early (or whatever) but after the first alteration. That way you're placing agents when you fully understand the effects of the previous time change and place the appropriate agents with the appropriate mission at the appropriate time for the next alteration. You also don't have to worry about those agents being overwritten by previous changes. And then just move forward through time with subsequent time alterations like that.
I definitely get that impression too!
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