Khan is a macho stud muffin, I have always understood (whats-her-name) making the decisions that she does.
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I don't. He's an arrogant SOB and while I can understand his animal magnetism on some women, I find it hard to accept that any woman would sell out on her principles and just ignore the oath she'd taken to serve the Federation like that.
But then, I've never understood the attraction of macho men, they can't be trusted to stay faithful to one woman, no matter how attractive. To be fair, I'm not the sort of woman to attract the attention of alpha males either, so it may at least partly be a case of despising what I have no chance of attracting, who knows. *shrug*
I agree with you. I've noted that I've always been attracted to a certain personality type and whatever it is that Khan has going on, that's not it.
The idea of Space Seed seems to be that women will place attraction to a man over everything she believes in.
I have to come out.
I think most scenes in Trek can be taken at face value. I don't think there was a secret ulterior motive behind the characters' actions besides those called out in the script and I don't think shadow wars were being waged by Starfleet Command to maintain the naive state of peace. I think the progressive utopia really was a utopia except when the show said it wasn't.
I know here these beliefs may make me an outcast, but so be it!
I think most scenes in Trek can be taken at face value. I don't think there was a secret ulterior motive behind the characters' actions besides those called out in the script and I don't think shadow wars were being waged by Starfleet Command to maintain the naive state of peace. I think the progressive utopia really was a utopia except when the show said it wasn't.
I know here these beliefs may make me an outcast, but so be it!
I was watching Space Seed this evening and got annoyed with the way Khan was so arrogant and used McGiver as a pawn and like she was his property. I don't like how she was so eager to ignore everything she swore to uphold and betray her Captain and the ship. Another thing that annoyed me was why was Khan given access to sensitive information about the ship. It seemed they just let him go through the library computer. to me it would be like me having access to sensitive military or govt files. If they wanted him to know about the 23rd century and how life has changed there were other ways to do it. One more thing I found annoying, why was Spock and Scott broadcasting on the ship communicators where the Captain was heading? They could have grabbed communicators. They let Khan know he was heading for engineering.
- "Move Along Home" is a good episode. Some of the acting (Bashir in particular) is not great, but it is a fun episode.
- Guinan is a terribly uninteresting character. Oh, she's so mysterious and knows the captain. Q doesn't like her. She has magic powers or does she? Whenever she wasn't just being a TV bartender she was a mess of idea to make her cool and all it did was make me roll my eyes.
- Garak is an overrated character. Being a fan of DS9 saying anything negative about Garak sees rocks fly your way. I don't think he was a bad character, I just don't think he's the best thing ever.
- I harbour no resentment towards Terry Farrell for leaving at the end of season 6. I've seen a lot of hate directed at Farrell for leaving. A lot of it really over the top.
- Not sure if this is against popular opinion, but I feel similar about the Breen as a do Guinan. The writers just seemed to throw random stuff around to make them seem cool. In the end it was just the writers trying too hard to make them cool.
The thing that really bothers me about Space Seed is that Khan is given an officer's Starfleet uniform. Did they run out of civilian garb?
She either has magic powers or has convinced other people that she has them (Q, for instance), if that scene from "Q Who?" is any indication.
Yeah, if you're going to introduce a character with a mysterious past, it's a good idea to at least have an idea what that mysterious past might be beforehand. Otherwise, you're just dropping random vague hints that might or might not pay off down the line.
You know, thinking about it, has there ever been a TNG novel that goes into Guinan's past, like a "Guinan's life story" kind of thing? Seems like a natural.
In the wake of the response to the Kelvin movies and what we know about Discovery, I am increasingly of the opinion that Star Trek's fanbase is (at least outwardly) less interested in the wellbeing of the franchise and more interested in their own personal gratification.
So many people have complained about how visually different both are from previous Treks, about how they don't match up, as though that were the supremely important element of Star Trek. The Kelvin movies and what little we've seen of Discovery are being lambasted for having a more modern style of storytelling than previous shows/movies. How many of the complaints about both basically boiled down to, "it's too different from before, so it sucks"?
Let's be honest: when fandom collectively says (with a few exceptions, of course) that it wants new Star Trek, it really means it just wants more of the same old, same old, everything else be damned.
I'm not saying that criticism of The Kelvin movies or Discovery isn't valid; it took me two or three years before if I could recognize that I didn't actually enjoy STID, and that I was genuinely disappointed by it. If anything, I hated it because it didn't really try anything new.
I want Star Trek to feel fresh and vital, something it hasn't been in a very long time. What I don't want is the status quo, a series running on creative fumes, exhausted nostalgia, and a fear of change.
So many people have complained about how visually different both are from previous Treks, about how they don't match up, as though that were the supremely important element of Star Trek. The Kelvin movies and what little we've seen of Discovery are being lambasted for having a more modern style of storytelling than previous shows/movies. How many of the complaints about both basically boiled down to, "it's too different from before, so it sucks"?
Let's be honest: when fandom collectively says (with a few exceptions, of course) that it wants new Star Trek, it really means it just wants more of the same old, same old, everything else be damned.
I'm not saying that criticism of The Kelvin movies or Discovery isn't valid; it took me two or three years before if I could recognize that I didn't actually enjoy STID, and that I was genuinely disappointed by it. If anything, I hated it because it didn't really try anything new.
I want Star Trek to feel fresh and vital, something it hasn't been in a very long time. What I don't want is the status quo, a series running on creative fumes, exhausted nostalgia, and a fear of change.
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I agree the Breen aren't terribly interesting. It seems like they weren't even considered a dangerous power until they needed a new Dominion ally in the last ten episodes to up the ante.
Not even the footies in TMP?
I don't like to see Our Heroes win all of the time, just most of the time. Every once in a while, I'd like to see them taken down a notch by some adversary who plainly 'outclevers' them. It's more realistic that way.
That's one of the things I enjoyed about TOS. The characters made mistakes and learned from them; they never had the TNG-esque artificial superiority.
Guinan doesn't have magical powers, because this is science fiction. Yes, she was preparing to use some kind of power in Q Who.
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I like that Neelix has a troubled past, and the not-so-subtle hints they dropped that he's really horribly depressed and that all his annoying good cheer is fake.
I also think it is very believable due to Neelix losing his entire family. It was his way of dealing with that kind of loss.
Given how there has always been such distaste for Neelix, he ironically may have been the most believably portrayed character from the outset on that show.
Given how there has always been such distaste for Neelix, he ironically may have been the most believably portrayed character from the outset on that show.
We as an audiance can be a fickle bunch with what we want. And you point out we have this trope
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks
When DSN was in pre-production how many people were complaining about them setting it on a Space Station instead of a starship?
And then we come to VOY and ENT which went back to the ship setting and we had some of the reverse in the case of the former this is just TNG-lite and it the case of ENT this show sucks.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsTheSameNowItSucks
Now of course it all comes down to personnal tastes so it's entirely subjective.
How many people complained that SG:U was totatlly different from SG-1 and SG:A? I'm not saying SG:U didn't have issues but I did kind of like they were trying something different.
As for STID, whilst I did enjoy the film I felt they could have dropped the entire Khan story line and t would have made little difference to the story. Harrison could simply have been another superhuman who left Earth at the end of the Eugenic wars.
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