Time Crack is stupid
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Yeah but since Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures take place in the same universe I'm sure the two of them have had conversations about the crack (teehee) o on occasion so they don't step on each other's toes story wise.
Moffatt and RTD VERY LIKELY still contact each other by mail like they did when RTD was show runner. I think Moffatt (or Barrowman?) said recently they were laying plans for Jack to appear with Smith.
^ That would be awesome. Since RTD wrote Smith in SJA it'd be logical for the two of them to keep in constant contact.
Well I just finished watching audio commentaries with Moffat for "The Eleventh Hour" and "The Time of Angels" and rewatched "The Big Bang" again. After doing some thinking about it I have come to the conclusion that the time crack IS the reason that Amy does not remember the Dalek invasion. Based on the reasoning that after being exposed to it for so long erased certain things from her memory, including the most important people in her life, her parents. I mention The Big Bang because as River discovers there are aspects taken from the children's books that the crack and Auton's took and duplicated, including Rory. I would propose that the crack it's self is responsible for Amy not remembering the Dalek invasion and that everything happened before still occurred and was not erased by the crack. I think "The Eleventh Hour" does a good job of saying that things still happened as the did. The Doctor is still wearing his shredded suit from the Tenth. The Araxti scans showed previous monsters and Doctors. The Meanwhile in the Tadris skit shows previous female companions, including Rose and Donna. Therefor in concluding the crack has not erased anything and the Big Bang RESTORED everything.
I seem to recall that in an interview he said that he was grateful to Moffatt for the time cracks as their closure meant that the rift didn't have to be separately healed.
(Edit: Oops. Just caught up. Redundant post.)
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I don't think you have to propose it. Didn't the Doctor explicitly say what you're "proposing"? Didn't he? I didn't think there was any confusion on this issue. That the crack was in Amy's wall, the parents got lost in it, that's why people forgot about them.
Yeah he did but for some reason EJA doesn't want to accept this.
Oh. Well. That's EJA's problem.
Take a look at this:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Dalek_Invasion_of_Earth_(2009)#Still_unwritten_from_time.3F
The person at the end seems pretty positive it's gone forever, and I see no reason not to trust his opinion.
And what exactly is this Meanwhile in the Tardis thing? I haven't seen that, where's it from?
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Dalek_Invasion_of_Earth_(2009)#Still_unwritten_from_time.3F
The person at the end seems pretty positive it's gone forever, and I see no reason not to trust his opinion.
And what exactly is this Meanwhile in the Tardis thing? I haven't seen that, where's it from?
^ Meanwhile in the TARDIS...
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaOPe4emP9Y&feature=related[/yt]
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAI7ZcIbzw4[/yt]
These were specially filmed for the season five DVD release, apparently.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaOPe4emP9Y&feature=related[/yt]
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAI7ZcIbzw4[/yt]
These were specially filmed for the season five DVD release, apparently.
The two Meanwhile in the Tardis skits are from the DVD. They were
This is the one that shows all the previous female companions.
Again though with regards to Leadsworth, the crack's growing influence would effect the entire town.
Damn was beaten.
This is the one that shows all the previous female companions.
Again though with regards to Leadsworth, the crack's growing influence would effect the entire town.
Damn was beaten.
That was restrained to Leadsworth though. We don't know about the rest of the world. The rest of the world wasn't visited by the Atraxi. They came to Leadsworth. The town is referred to as the town/village time forgot. This is in the Brilliant Book of Doctor Who...I'm assuming that time has forgotten Leadsworth and it's people because of the crack.
I suppose if one wanted to disclude the Dalek invasion their own continuity they could very well do so. I though disagree and say that it did occur and it was the time crack that made Amy and possibly the rest of the town forget about it. I believe this is also one of the reasons Moffat decided to set the series in a fictional place, and move it from London.
I suppose if one wanted to disclude the Dalek invasion their own continuity they could very well do so. I though disagree and say that it did occur and it was the time crack that made Amy and possibly the rest of the town forget about it. I believe this is also one of the reasons Moffat decided to set the series in a fictional place, and move it from London.
I still maintain that the Dalek invasion is still erased from the timeline, and hasn't come back. My main worry stems from how its absense might affect those people who were caught up in it.
Those two clips were interesting though. I'm intrigued by the latter seems to reinforce the old notion of the Doctor as being uninterested in sex.
Those two clips were interesting though. I'm intrigued by the latter seems to reinforce the old notion of the Doctor as being uninterested in sex.
I agree with the notion that the time crack is a bad idea. It just conjures up too many differing opinions over continuity. DWF has an excellent point about Amy remembering the Doctor back into existence. As I`ve pointed out before, if the Doctor doesn`t remember those events (and he clearly does since he was surprised that Amy didn`t) then I don`t really see what the problem is.
If we do postulate that the Dalek Invasion didn`t exist...well then indeed where was the Tenth Doctor? Where was Jack? Where was Rose, was she still trapped in the alternate universe?
I'm sorry if I've been hostile to you EJA over the course of our debate...I think the point I've been trying to make is that there are flaws in your view that the Dalek invasion didn't happen. The Doctor KNOWS and remembers that it happened, because he participated in it. If it didn't happen how would HE personally know about it? Trying to retcon something as big as the Dalek invasion and the Stolen Earth is pretty dumb. Does this mean that when we catch up with Jack in Torchwood: Miracle Day he won't remember the Stolen Earth?
If we do postulate that the Dalek Invasion didn`t exist...well then indeed where was the Tenth Doctor? Where was Jack? Where was Rose, was she still trapped in the alternate universe?
I'm sorry if I've been hostile to you EJA over the course of our debate...I think the point I've been trying to make is that there are flaws in your view that the Dalek invasion didn't happen. The Doctor KNOWS and remembers that it happened, because he participated in it. If it didn't happen how would HE personally know about it? Trying to retcon something as big as the Dalek invasion and the Stolen Earth is pretty dumb. Does this mean that when we catch up with Jack in Torchwood: Miracle Day he won't remember the Stolen Earth?
EJA, the person at the end is YOU, and the one before that agrees with you. Of course you trust their opinion!Take a look at this:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Talkalek_Invasion_of_Earth_(2009)#Still_unwritten_from_time.3F
The person at the end seems pretty positive it's gone forever, and I see no reason not to trust his opinion.
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