Time Crack is stupid

[Admiral_Young]

Never said it wasn't stupid. I'm disagreeing with EJA that it was meant to and has erased elements from the past. One can accept that if they want to but there is no proof other than Amy not remember one incident, granted it was a major incident but her memories of her parents were restored by the big bang reset. I like to think she remembers now and that it was the crack that was causing her not to. Really though it doesn't matter.

 

[EJA]

Never said it wasn't stupid. I'm disagreeing with EJA that it was meant to and has erased elements from the past. One can accept that if they want to but there is no proof other than Amy not remember one incident

And the fact that the majority of people on Earth are unaware of the existence of alien life, despite the Dalek invasion being all the proof anyone would ever need, in SJA "The Vault of Secrets." And this is AFTER The Big Bang.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ The thing is though no matter what people are shown...there are always going to be a large group of people who disbelieve or who simply aren't able to accept what happened. I guess until it is clarified in a future episode this is all just speculation.

 

[Phily B]

Never said it wasn't stupid. I'm disagreeing with EJA that it was meant to and has erased elements from the past. One can accept that if they want to but there is no proof other than Amy not remember one incident

And the fact that the majority of people on Earth are unaware of the existence of alien life, despite the Dalek invasion being all the proof anyone would ever need, in SJA "The Vault of Secrets." And this is AFTER The Big Bang.

But there were Daleks alive from those events in VotD... RTD is still sort of in charge of SJA, and even with all the stuff that happened in DW on Earth under his reign - people were still oblivious, even Donna said she used to miss things and didn't believe her mates about the planets in the sky.

Through out the series there are stuff where people forgot, don't believe or rationalise. The exact same excuse was used for Buffy/Angel - two shows RTD based nuWho on. Off the top of my head, I remember Dr Tom from the season 3 finale being surprised at Martha talking about aliens out in space.

 

[Admiral_Young]

RTD is show runner for SJA I believe still. I previously used Donna as an example for how the rest of the world may react. Indeed the new Dalek paradigm was created from the survivors from the Dalek Invasion. Moffat wanted an officer corps for the Daleks so this is why he created the Power Ranger versions. He says so in the Brilliant Book of Doctor Who. There have been rumors that we will see RTD Dalek's as well this series. Not sure if those are true.

 

[Starkers]

The officer class notion doesn't hold water, if that was trhe plan all along he wouldn't have called one of them Drone...

 

[The Wormhole]

Needless to say the New Paradigm (the Power Ranger Daleks) haven't really gone over too well. The impression I am under is that the "officer class" thing is a way to go back to using RTDaleks but keep the New Paradigm around, since I'm sure those new models cost the BBC some money.

Although, I thought Moffat said there would be no Daleks in 2011?

 

[RoJoHen]

Needless to say the New Paradigm (the Power Ranger Daleks) haven't really gone over too well. The impression I am under is that the "officer class" thing is a way to go back to using RTDaleks but keep the New Paradigm around, since I'm sure those new models cost the BBC some money.

Although, I thought Moffat said there would be no Daleks in 2011?

And then in 2012 we'll see an army of multi-colored Daleks so vast it'll look like somebody dumped a giant bag of M&Ms across the universe.

 

[Phily B]

I never really noticed too much difference between RTDaleks and classic Daleks, it just looked like they were updated for the 21st century by being more shiny and with more detail. iDaleks just looked silly, though I did like how big they were.

 

[starsuperion]

Needless to say the New Paradigm (the Power Ranger Daleks) haven't really gone over too well. The impression I am under is that the "officer class" thing is a way to go back to using RTDaleks but keep the New Paradigm around, since I'm sure those new models cost the BBC some money.

Although, I thought Moffat said there would be no Daleks in 2011?

And then in 2012 we'll see an army of multi-colored Daleks so vast it'll look like somebody dumped a giant bag of M&Ms across the universe.

I don't think so.. you may see tons of drones running around while you may have a core of 4 or 5 blue scientists, and some reds..but it won't look like an M&M bag.. I actually like the newer look..

 

[RoJoHen]

I was mostly joking.

 

[Gepard]

this whole phrase seems contrived by some hack writer who can't take negative fan feedback..

JJ Abrams, and Michael Bay's favorite writers roberto orci and that other guy come to mind..

I think it sounds like it's been written by a well-adjusted person with a sense of perspective.

Impossible. We don't have those on the Internet.

 

[starsuperion]

I was mostly joking.

yeah but for some reason, I could see a massive bag of M&M's and an aerial view of the new daleks... and shock fell over me.. some one needs to do that with thier figure collection.. LOL

this whole phrase seems contrived by some hack writer who can't take negative fan feedback..

JJ Abrams, and Michael Bay's favorite writers roberto orci and that other guy come to mind..

I think it sounds like it's been written by a well-adjusted person with a sense of perspective.

Impossible. We don't have those on the Internet.

I agree, have you guys not read fan specific forums?? Transformers the Movie..."absolute anger!" hahahahaha.. (if you can't laugh at yourself, then why bother relating on the web to anyone) rubbish..there is no well adjusted sense of perspective.. just someone's own "reasoned explanations" of what they think is a justification of their own opinion..

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I think it sounds like it's been written by a well-adjusted person with a sense of perspective.

Impossible. We don't have those on the Internet.

Damn, you're right. It's a conundrum. Or possibly a trap.

 

[starsuperion]

I think it sounds like it's been written by a well-adjusted person with a sense of perspective.

Impossible. We don't have those on the Internet.

Damn, you're right. It's a conundrum. Or possibly a trap.

definitely a trap..

 

[EJA]

Wait a moment, when the universe was restored in the reset, there was one thing that didn't come back - the Doctor. Not automatically, anyway. For a short while he was erased from reality, and it took Amy remembering him for him to return. It's conceivable that there were other things that got lost on the other side of the Crack that Amy didn't remember, and so didn't come back.

 

[JoeZhang]

But the Doctor remembers them so they can come back if the story requires or anyone on staff gives a shit.

 

[Photoman15]

Wait a moment, when the universe was restored in the reset, there was one thing that didn't come back - the Doctor. Not automatically, anyway. For a short while he was erased from reality, and it took Amy remembering him for him to return. It's conceivable that there were other things that got lost on the other side of the Crack that Amy didn't remember, and so didn't come back.

The Doctor sort of came back, living in reverse. Then he ceased to exist because he HAD to be on he other side of the crack.

 

[intrinsical]

Just wait a minute. The Doctor rebooted the universe. The time crack has now never existed (weird grammar, I know). That's why Amy now has parents, because they now were never erased from existence by the time crack. Shouldn't everything have been unerased as well? So the cyberking did attack medieval London, Daleks did steal the earth.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

...Or DID they?

I figured that the whole thing being a conglomeration of paradoxes anyway, that as the universe resorted itself out, a whole bunch of things WERE undone, and plenty of things were RE-done as remembered, whether or not causality makes sense from our perspective. The only thing that really matters is that events make sense as the Doctor experiences them, otherwise he'd get suspcious and go looking for another Pandorica. :P

Mark