Threshold episode kinda actually works

[JirinPanthosa]

I suppose you could make up some kind of technobabble argument for the hyper-evolution thing, but it's just really poor writing.

Like they said "Obviously the show can't end so we need a reason they can't go warp 10 again. Alright, pick a horrible fate out of the hat! Super-speed evolution! Let's go with it."

The problem with Threshold is not the ridiculousness level, as plenty of other better episodes have an equal or greater ridiculousness level. The problem is it's just poorly plotted. They took the most predictable Voyager concept of "Hey we have a way to get home!!!...nevermind" and went the dumbest direction at every story juncture. Then they did it in a way that gave Tom Paris too many special skills that frankly other characters should have been given if any (They need a character to make a scientific breakthrough that all engineers in Starfleet have been trying to do for decades, and they give it to the pilot? Not Torres?!), and finished it in a way that required them to ignore all the implications in every other episode.

 

[Valenti]

Braga dropped the ball on development like he always did. Well he had no help. Joe Menosky was probably in Italy at the time. BB was a great stud but not a good father. What Trek needed was more mares - creatives who developed ideas to fruition.

 

[XCV330]

Braga dropped the ball on development like he always did. Well he had no help. Joe Menosky was probably in Italy at the time. BB was a great stud but not a good father. What Trek needed was more mares - creatives who developed ideas to fruition.

Do most of your show production ideas involve insemination of mares?

 

[Valenti]

Sometimes, as in this case. Yes.

 

[Lynx]

It was kicked out of canon because when 7 of 9 mentioned she wanted to generate a TW conduit, Torres said 'We don't know anything about TW technology, playing around with it could be dangerous'.
And Paris statement a bit later on in the same episode: 'I never navigated a TW conduit before.'.

As I said before, it is accurate that Paris never really navigated in TW... but to say they know nothing of TW is ridiculous. Subsequent research into Paris TW flight should have given them a MOUNTAIN of data to analyze and subsequently improve their own engines and other things on the fly.

I see no reason to kick it out of canon totally but it should be adjusted to what I wrote before, that the events in it should be something from a nightmare Janeway had. It's the most logical way to solve the problem.

The only Star trek episode which should be kicked out of canon and totally erased is that episode in season 6.

 

[Deks]

I see no reason to kick it out of canon totally but it should be adjusted to what I wrote before, that the events in it should be something from a nightmare Janeway had. It's the most logical way to solve the problem.

The only Star trek episode which should be kicked out of canon and totally erased is that episode in season 6.

Which one?
The Fight was in Season 5... and while I agree it was quite boring to watch, kicking it out of canon might be a bit much.

 

[Sophie74656]

Which one?
The Fight was in Season 5... and while I agree it was quite boring to watch, kicking it out of canon might be a bit much.

Lol you must be new here. The episode is question is Fury which I personally find rather amusing. I enjoy it more than Threshold. (cue lynx's standard response of how i must hate the character and was glad to see her "destroyed")

 

[Damian]

It was kicked out of canon because when 7 of 9 mentioned she wanted to generate a TW conduit, Torres said 'We don't know anything about TW technology, playing around with it could be dangerous'.
And Paris statement a bit later on in the same episode: 'I never navigated a TW conduit before.'.

As I said before, it is accurate that Paris never really navigated in TW... but to say they know nothing of TW is ridiculous. Subsequent research into Paris TW flight should have given them a MOUNTAIN of data to analyze and subsequently improve their own engines and other things on the fly.

Yeah but that doesn't mean it was 'kicked out' of canon. Star Trek has had inconsistencies before (many times in fact on screen). It just means whoever wrote a later episode didn't do all their homework or maybe felt what they were talking about was a different scenario.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

As one of the fans who ship Janeway/Paris, I like this episode but don't get me wrong, Threshold is a bad episode so bad that it is better to laugh instead of crying, about it. And IF you drink a little too much you can even think that Threshold is an entertaining episode if not good! ;-)

 

[SpyOne]

About as close to "kicked out of canon" as you'll find in Star Trek is when they make a conscious effort to pretend something never happened.

By that standard a whole lot of TOS isn't canon, as it is never mentioned again, but it appears with Threshold they went the extra mile and intentionally contradicted it in subsequent episodes.

 

[Deks]

Lol you must be new here. The episode is question is Fury which I personally find rather amusing. I enjoy it more than Threshold. (cue lynx's standard response of how i must hate the character and was glad to see her "destroyed")

Aside from Kes behaving irrationally against the crew that was her family for 3 years (more than what she spent with her actual family), I liked Fury as an episode.

 

[Sophie74656]

Aside from Kes behaving irrationally against the crew that was her family for 3 years (more than what she spent with her actual family), I liked Fury as an episode.

I like the episode too. It's not the best but it's ok. It has some great scenes. Kes walking down the corridor with all the bulkeads blowing up behind her was visually awesome.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I didn't have a major problem with the way Kes behaved in that episode since she appeared to have dementia and have been alone for three years. But they got way too sloppy at the end with things happening in the past that should have affected the future more.

 

[Sophie74656]

I didn't have a major problem with the way Kes behaved in that episode since she appeared to have dementia and have been alone for three years. But they got way too sloppy at the end with things happening in the past that should have affected the future more.

Yeah it does mess up the timeline a bit but honestly it doesn't bother me too much. I agree about the dimentia similarity. It's implied that it could be a normal part of the aging procesa to loose their memory, and we probably were seeing that. Her memories were jumbled and confused. I've seen this happen to people in real life as well. I always thought the ending was sweet where she went back to check on her people. Her goodbye with Neelix was nice

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Yeah it does mess up the timeline a bit but honestly it doesn't bother me too much. I agree about the dimentia similarity. It's implied that it could be a normal part of the aging procesa to loose their memory, and we probably were seeing that. Her memories were jumbled and confused. I've seen this happen to people in real life as well. I always thought the ending was sweet where she went back to check on her people. Her goodbye with Neelix was nice

The thing about the Vidian attack that didn't originally happen and damaged the ship? Okay, I can forgive something like that if I squint enough when I look at it.

But Janeway, Tuvok and Kes knowing everything all along and making all the exact same decisions they did the first time? Nonononono.

Actually if I had to eliminate one episode from canon it'd be In The Flesh. It's far from being the worst episode, but it ruins a great villain.

 

[Refuge]

Threshold I personally did enjoy more than Fury. It's not an episode that I would skip in a re-watch. Fury I do watch as well but I simply do not enjoy the deterioration of Kes. It's hard to see her like that.

 

[marsh8472]

It was kicked out of canon because when 7 of 9 mentioned she wanted to generate a TW conduit, Torres said 'We don't know anything about TW technology, playing around with it could be dangerous'.
And Paris statement a bit later on in the same episode: 'I never navigated a TW conduit before.'.

As I said before, it is accurate that Paris never really navigated in TW... but to say they know nothing of TW is ridiculous. Subsequent research into Paris TW flight should have given them a MOUNTAIN of data to analyze and subsequently improve their own engines and other things on the fly.

He actually said "PARIS: I've never navigated a transwarp conduit. Any problems I should be aware of? " "Transwarp conduits" were never mentioned in Threshold, just transwarp drive and transwarp barrier. The term "transwarp" can have multiple meanings where they are using a different meaning of the word "transwarp" such as the one in Star Trek 3.

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We see continuity in the episode like Jonas communicating with Rettick during that story arc. If showing a sentence or two in one episode doesn't mix well with a sentence or two from another episode is all that is needed to declare something not part of canon we could pretty much throw every episode out of canon.

 

[Prax]

I prefer Fury over threshold if I had to choose, but there are some goods parts of threshold. Maybe some day, I'll point them out.

Edit: My favorite part of Fury is Tuvok. He's like "We'll just take the delta flyer!" and the rest are like "The delta what?!"

As well as this part:

This may seem like a strange question, but I need to know if she's pregnant.
EMH: I'm not at liberty to disclose that information. Doctor-patient confidentiality.
JANEWAY: What about Captain's orders?
EMH: Sorry, medical protocol supersede your authority in these matters.
JANEWAY: The security of this ship could be at stake.
EMH: She planned on telling you herself.
JANEWAY: Boy or girl?
EMH: Female. Half Ktarian, as a matter of fact, which should nearly double the infant's gestation period. How did you know?
(Janeway leaves.)
EMH: And they say I'm rude.

It's funny for two reasons: Janeway at this point still treats the EMH like C3P0, and the writers(via the EMH) poke 4th wall fun at Wildman's crazy long pregnancy.

 

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

It's funny for two reasons: Janeway at this point still treats the EMH like C3P0, and the writers(via the EMH) poke 4th wall fun at Wildman's crazy long pregnancy.

I liked the whole medical protocol supersedes captains authority, but if she just asserts a security threat, he just says ... well, ok....

 

[at Quark's]

Threshold in my eyes is guilty of nothing more than being a big inconsistent pool of nonsense and making spectacularly bad references to science. Which I don't mind, since I watch Trek mainly to be entertained and this one sure is a lot more entertaining than some cliched, boring 'average' episodes in which you know exactly what's going to happen and how 10 minutes in. In a sense it's so bad it's good. But in my book, it's nowhere near the 'worst of Trek', which I reserve for episodes I actually take offense to - there is nothing in this episode that triggers me in that way.