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Thoughts On Season Seven

There were far too many freaky, psycho, dream-sequence type episodes in Season 7 - Phantasms, Masks, Sub Rosa, Genesis, Dark Page, Eye of the Beholder, etc. It's not that I dislike like them. It just seems like far many more than in past seasons, and they wasted time telling these stories instead of actually wrapping up the series.
 
For me, easily the weakest season of TNG. Season 1 remains my favourite by a considerable margin.

Not to get off topic, but why is season 1 your favorite? I like season 1 much more than most people do, but I wouldn't call it the best season of TNG, or even one of the best seasons of TNG. What are some of your favorite episodes? And as a whole, what made season 1 so much better than all of the other seasons in your eyes? Just curious.

I find S1 has a certain kind of charm. Production design aside, it has an almost “amateurish” quality such that I can imagine myself working on the show.
 
Not to get off topic, but why is season 1 your favorite? I like season 1 much more than most people do, but I wouldn't call it the best season of TNG, or even one of the best seasons of TNG. What are some of your favorite episodes? And as a whole, what made season 1 so much better than all of the other seasons in your eyes? Just curious.
Probably because it's the most "TOSlike". Beyond that, I find the overall "vibe" of the season to be the most interesting; the stories, the music, the lighting etc. Also, and I'm certain I'll be in the minority here, I find the acting/characterisation to be similarly more interesting. Troi for example, I loved the accent, the look and her sometimes "stern" approach.
 
*sighs* Alright, alright, I'll confess.

The capital reason why I'm such a sucker for Season 7, and people are gonna think I'm some kind of lesbo for this, but I'm bisexual so I don't really care, is because I thought Troi looked amazing during that season; her hair and her uniform and I really liked the "formal" fashion she had when she was wearing a uniform (as seen in my avatar).

I just wish there was another episode of her wearing her dress uniform with that hair, like in the beginning of "Sub Rosa" ("Liaisons" doesn't count because that was her Season 6 hair.)

The blue dress Worf thought she had on in "Parallels" didn't look to bad either.

Speaking of Season 1, I'm not too crazy though about the "intergalactic cheerleader" look, as they put it, she put on for "Encounter at Farpoint" and "All Good Things..." but I do wish that there was another Season 1 episode post the premiere where she wears that. Her post "Encounter at Farpoint" look seemed too... princessy if y;all ask me.

My favorite of all her non-uniform clothes is the maroon jumpsuit she wore in the opening scene of "Thine Own Self".

Speaking of "Thine Own Self" how exactly did Data lose his identity memory when crash landing on Barkon 4? It's quite interesting that he can't tell anyone what his name is or how he got there but can remember that wood is not made of fire.
 
Not to get off topic, but why is season 1 your favorite? I like season 1 much more than most people do, but I wouldn't call it the best season of TNG, or even one of the best seasons of TNG. What are some of your favorite episodes? And as a whole, what made season 1 so much better than all of the other seasons in your eyes? Just curious.
Probably because it's the most "TOSlike". Beyond that, I find the overall "vibe" of the season to be the most interesting; the stories, the music, the lighting etc. Also, and I'm certain I'll be in the minority here, I find the acting/characterisation to be similarly more interesting. Troi for example, I loved the accent, the look and her sometimes "stern" approach.

Good reasons. I too really liked the vibe of season one; the thematic music, the dynamic lighting, the sets, and the characterization of the cast all set season one apart from the later seasons. It's very unique, and that's partly why I like season one so much, even if it isn't my favorite season of the show.
 
TroiFan4ever;5557024What was wrong with "Genesis"?[/QUOTE said:
The scientific premise it was based on was ridiculous, to begin. If an organisms DNA begins to mutate into that of some other organism, the result is not a man-spider hybrid or an amphibian, the result is death. Also, according to most literature Introns either don't code for anything or help generate noncoding RNA molecules. The notion they are dormant instructions for all of our previous incarnations found on the evolutionary tree is nonsense.

In addition, the premise of the episode demeaned the characters.

Riker turns into a sub-moronic Neanderthal, Troi into a...ahem....fish, and in the ultimate insult Picard into a lemur? The only transformation which made any sense was Worf de-evolving into an ancestral Klingon. Even given that the crew was affected as described, if Data and Picard had gone to the Arboretum, where most of the crew was said to have gathered, they would have found half of the crew eaten by the other half.

Then there was the Spot paradox. Spot is a male for six seasons, but suddenly in this episode Spot is now Chas Bono. Sort of.

As nothing but entertainment, Genesis was no worse than many TNG episodes. But as a story it was very weak.
 
TroiFan4ever;5557024What was wrong with "Genesis"?[/QUOTE said:
The scientific premise it was based on was ridiculous, to begin. If an organisms DNA begins to mutate into that of some other organism, the result is not a man-spider hybrid or an amphibian, the result is death. Also, according to most literature Introns either don't code for anything or help generate noncoding RNA molecules. The notion they are dormant instructions for all of our previous incarnations found on the evolutionary tree is nonsense.

In addition, the premise of the episode demeaned the characters.

Riker turns into a sub-moronic Neanderthal, Troi into a...ahem....fish, and in the ultimate insult Picard into a lemur? The only transformation which made any sense was Worf de-evolving into an ancestral Klingon.

Then there was the Spot paradox. Spot is a male for six seasons, but suddenly in this episode Spot is now Chas Bono. Sort of.

As nothing but entertainment, Genesis was no worse than many TNG episodes. But as a story it was very weak.

I respectfully disagree. ;)

I don't know that if a person's DNA is being re-sequenced, they die. I will leave you to that and neither agree or disagree because I don't know that.

First of all, Troi was mutating into an amphibian. Amphibians are not fish according to what I've studied on aquatic animals.

Speaking of Troi's transformation. According to what's established in the episode, the crew is de-evolving into various prehistoric forms of life on their homeworlds. In Troi's case, since she's half human, half Betazoid, she would be turning an amphibian. With that being said, if Maquis, Hedril, and Lwaxana were all on the ship when the virus was plaguing the ship, I wonder if they would be turning into amphibians as well.

Secondly, the writers and producers are to blame for this but prior to this episode, Spot's gender was never clearly confirmed. Spot was classified as male in "Phantasms". There was a mention of her at the end of "Timescape" but I don't recall any gender pronouns being used. Then Spot was classified as female in "Force of Nature", and then "Genesis" confirmed it for the rest of the series as she was pregnant.

Data's scientific lesson to Picard about the virus throws me off EVERY TIME I WATCH THIS EPISODE! No matter how closely I listen, he always loses me. I had to read his line in the script to really get it. I just watched that scene again and here's what I got out of it:

Commander Riker's transformation into a caveman was caused by his introns being active. Data informs Picard that introns are evolutionary holdovers that provided behavioral and physical characteristics for over millions of years of evolution but are no longer needed. Commander Troi's gilslits, for example, were derived from introns which still have amphibious codes.

Even given that the crew was affected as described, if Data and Picard had gone to the Arboretum, where most of the crew was said to have gathered, they would have found half of the crew eaten by the other half.

Hmmm? :wtf:

I wouldn't say "half" the crew because don't forget the Conn Ensign that was found dead at the helm. He was either Worf's or Riker's lunch. I failed to see what you mean by "eaten by the other half". Clarify that, please?

Speaking of the Arboretum, if I could go back and change something about this episode there would've been a scene showing Picard and Data picking up Ogawa from the Arboretum. It's interesting that it was mentioned throughout this episode but its last appearance was in the "Dark Page" episode.

I don't know if the makeup crew were too lazy to do the other cast members but I would've liked to seen the transformations of;

Geordi
Ensign Calloway
Beverly (her absence is understandable because her actress was too busy directing this episode)

Speaking of Beverly, since she was put in statis thanks to Worf breathing that green stuff in her face, might it be possible that her transformation was frozen? Like the dead Conn Ensign on the bridge?

As for what I thought about "Genesis" it was kind of creepy, I just wish the makeup crew put more effort into making the crew more monstrous and scarier. I assume that was Braga's goal when he authored this episode, no? I also liked seeing Troi at the captain's chair and I also wish there was a following episode showing Troi in command of the ship. And don't even get me started on those Emergency Lights, previously seen in "Masks" and "Starship Mine" I love when the ship is that dark.
 
Season seven was very hit and miss. It's perhaps a shame TNG didn't finish a year earlier, as the writers were certainly scraping the barrel by bringing long-lost family members for everyone to see. The only episodes I consider excellent this season are Parallels, Pegasus, Lower Decks, Preemptive Strike and All Good Things. There were some episodes that were quite good, but then lots of middling fluff and a few poor episodes too.
 
Really average season, and a definite nosedive in quality. It's clear that everyone's attention is on "Generations" and "Voyager".

The only episodes I thought were excellent in this season were:
Parallels
The Pegasus
Lower Decks
Firstborn

The worst ones were:
Attached
Force of Nature
Sub Rosa
Thine Own Self
Masks
Emergence
 
I've been thinking about this and here is my take on Season 7...

First off, I don't dislike it as much as many others do. That's partly because when it aired I was really getting into Trek and watched it all first run. I think the characterisations in S7 were the best- everyone was very settled into their roles. It does lack a lot of the great SciFi storytelling of 4 & 5 but it's a very "human" season which I enjoyed. I liked all the personal interest stories (except for Sub Rosa. Ick.)

But here is the problem... it was the wrap up season of a show that didn't need any real wrap up. It's not like TNG had any overlying story arcs that needed resolution. The last half of DS9's 7th season contained a 10-parter leading up to the end of the Dominion War. Even the last episodes of Voyager showed a lead up to them getting home at the end. But with TNG, there was nothing to finish, no goal to reach, no conflicts to resolve. So instead of ending with a "Mission Accomplished" bang, it was more of a "We'll just keep playing poker like always" fizzle.

(though that final poker scene still gets me emotional ;))
 
But here is the problem... it was the wrap up season of a show that didn't need any real wrap up. It's not like TNG had any overlying story arcs that needed resolution. The last half of DS9's 7th season contained a 10-parter leading up to the end of the Dominion War. Even the last episodes of Voyager showed a lead up to them getting home at the end. But with TNG, there was nothing to finish, no goal to reach, no conflicts to resolve. So instead of ending with a "Mission Accomplished" bang, it was more of a "We'll just keep playing poker like always" fizzle.

(though that final poker scene still gets me emotional ;))
If it gets you emotional, is it a fizzle? Seems contradictory, since the point of the scene seemed to be to put a cap on the series. A final "hang out with your TNG friends" moment before the show is completely finished. So, didn't it succeed?

Sure, TNG didn't have a story arc to wrap up, but it still had to end. And I much prefer getting a proper send off in the form of AGT to the show just suddenly stopping one day, the way TOS did.

Anyway, I like season 7, but I do think it's not as good as season 3-6, in terms of consistency. However, when it's good, it's fantastic; several of my favorites from s7 are among my favorites from the entire series. And when it's bad... well, the fact that it's "bad" at all makes it worse than seasons 3-5 in my book, since those bottomed out at "okay, kinda boring", at worst. Season 7 having several actually, truly BAD eps (a.k.a. "stinkers") makes it worse by default. Season 6 has some of those as well, but not as many. My breakdown ("Everyone else was doing it! I just wanted to be popular."):

Fantastic eps:
-Parallels
-The Pegasus
-Lower Decks (serious contender for "best episode of the franchise")
-Preemptive Strike
-All Good Things...

Good eps:
-Liaisons
-Gambit (both parts)
-Phantasms
-Thine Own Self

Okay eps:
-Interface
-Dark Page
-Inheritance
-Eye of the Beholder
-Firstborn
-Bloodlines

Truly Bad eps:
-Descent (both parts)
-Force of Nature
-Homeward
-Sub Rosa (one of the worst of the entire series)
-Masks
-Genesis (though it's almost kinda entertaining if you COMPLETELY turn your brain off!)
-Journey's End (the Cardassian/DMZ politicking is actually kind of interesting, but the idiotic "Emo Wesley/Return of the Traveler " plot ruins the entire ep)
-Emergence

So yeah. Not exactly a favorable line-up in terms of quantity, but those five eps at the top of my list are easily among the series' best. And for all its faults, s7 is still better than s1. :D
I don't know that if a person's DNA is being re-sequenced, they die. I will leave you to that and neither agree or disagree because I don't know that.
But Tina Lawton is explicitly telling you that. You can't "disagree" with it, because it's true.
According to what's established in the episode, the crew is de-evolving into various prehistoric forms of life on their homeworlds.
Right. That, itself, is the problem. "De-evolving" is a nonsense word in this context; an individual cannot "evolve" or "de-evolve." Additionally, even if they could; if we are to try and make any sense of the premise at all, shouldn't people at least be "de-evolving" into animal forms that are their direct evolutionary ascendants? Humans did not evolve from spiders, nor did cats evolve from lizards. (As Phil Farrand said in the old "Nitpicker's Guide" back in '95: "Spot should probably be a saber-toothed tiger, not a lizard. (I am absolutely certain that this would have made the episode more interesting!)").
I wouldn't say "half" the crew because don't forget the Conn Ensign that was found dead at the helm. He was either Worf's or Riker's lunch. I failed to see what you mean by "eaten by the other half". Clarify that, please?
I'm not sure what you're getting at here (what does the dude at conn have to do with anything?), but I believe what Tina was getting at (and please correct me if I'm wrong) was what had been mentioned also: that the events of this ep have some unfortunate implications. Even if under the effects of a virus, people are going around murdering and eating each other. That's going to leave some people seriously screwed up, psychologically... those that weren't mauled to death and/or eaten, that is. It's one of those things that is a direct consequence of the premise of the ep, yet is given barely half a mention. Instead, at the end of the ep, everything is fine and dandy, everyone is back to normal, guess we can get on with our normal lives now! :cardie:

Please. Imagine the letters Picard will have to compose to the loved ones of crew members EATEN BY OTHER CREW MEMBERS.

Trek in general has often had a problem with serious issues being used in a "fire & forget" manner, with seemingly zero consequences once the episode in question has finished. In many cases, we can simply sigh, maybe grit our teeth a little and mutter "I wish they wouldn't do that, but eh," while accepting that it's part of the show's formula, and move on. But "Genesis" is a case, I feel, where they went a bit too far over the edge with something truly horrific, that simply shouldn't have been allowed to air if they weren't willing to deal with ANY fallout from the event.
 
Well, may I ask what on earth was wrong with "Masks", "Force of Nature", and "Emergence"? You just didn't like those episode like I just didn't like "Attached", "The Pegasus", "Preemptive Strike", and "All Good Things..." Whatever happened to "personal favorites"?

OK but on a forum its often customary to give reasons for controversial opinions right? I'm certainly willing to do so

"Masks": There's no clear structure to this story or really any kind of antagonist or mystery or anything revealing the characters. Its just "stuff happens with a central American twit". We have Brent Spiner's poor acting as multiple personalities (Even Spiner said he only had one day to prepare and it shows, its hammy crap) and there's no intrigue or complexity to the story that's being told. We just get allusions to some long lost culture of which we barely scratch the surface.

"Force of Nature": The script is terrible, its full of endless technobabble. Seriously, who can really enjoy sitting and watching people talk in what amounts to a made up language about some problem with engines damaging subspace. There really isn't any interesting danger in this episode, none of the crew are actually important except to spout technobabble and the guest characters aren't that interesting either especially since one blows herself up half way through.

"Emergence": Lots of random imagery bunched together in the hope that we'll find the episode interesting but the story is not there. The ship is intelligent and decides to represent it through random crap on the holodeck. None of the issues are really explored and the climax of a story comes with some multicolored shape that flies into space. Lame!

Now, why are "Preemptive Strike", "The Pegasus" and "All Good Things" good episodes and why do I have trouble understanding someone who thinks they should be avoided "at all costs"?

"Preemptive Strike": An episode with a 3 dimensional character facing 3 dimensional issues. What's not to like in this story? Ro Laren, a well developed and interesting character, torn between her loyalties to Starfleet/her wish to impress Captain Picard and the Maquis who promise to act as a sort of surrogate family and emotional support for someone so emotionally damaged.. We also get a good look at the Maquis in a sympathetic light which is more than we got on DS9. We got emotion and we got to sympathise with the main character while also making up our own minds about what the right thing to do was.

"The Pegasus": So Riker has a dark secret that actually turns out to be interesting and his loyalty to Picard is tested. Its a character piece as well as introducing some interesting science fiction.

So are you willing to explain any of your reasonings?
 
@ You_Will_Fail: With the exception of Emergence, I agree with the points you made on all of the other episodes.

It's been awhile since I watched it, but I remember thinking Emergence was a decent episode. I thought it was pretty neat that the Enterprise was representing itself with characters and scenes on the holodeck. On my rating scale it would get either a 4 or 5 out of 10.

At some point I'm going to try and divide up all 26 episodes of the season into different categories (Perfect/Near-Perfect, Great/Very Good, Good/Average, Decent/Below Average, Poor).

And I'm surprised that not many people like Journey's End. With the exception of emo Wes, I thought it was a great episode. The moral dilemma was interesting, I liked seeing the Traveler again, and I also liked seeing Wesley deal with his future and with being in Starfleet. I thought it was a very solid episode, and it did a nice job of wrapping up Wesley's character arc on TNG by sending him off with the Traveler.
 
Perfect/Near-Perfect:
Preemptive Strike
All Good Things P1/P2
Parallels
Gambit P1/P2

Great/Very Good:
Journey's End
Attached
The Lower Decks
The Pegasus
Thine Own Self

Good/Average:
Phantasms
Firstborn
Liaisons
Eye of the Beholder
Homeward
Inheritance
Interface
Descent Part 2

Below Average, But Not Terrible:
Emergence
Sub Rosa
Genesis
Dark Page
Bloodlines
Masks

Poor:
Force of Nature

Within each category the episodes are ranked from favorite to least favorite. I've only seen each episode one time, so there are probably a lot of details that I am forgetting, but for the most part this list is a pretty accurate. Things are bound to change a little when I rewatch the series some day.
 
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What didn't you like about "Dark Page"? I thought it was a really good episode, it was only let down by some pretty shoddy direction/effects when Deanna was in her mother's mind. The final scene where Troi discovers she had a sister who drowned always makes me well up. I thought the episode was solid.

Also I think your categories are kind of confusing, lumping episodes that are "good" and "average" together, as well as episodes that are "decent" and "below average".
Seems to me like a single episode can't be both things! And if Emergence is ranked by you as "below average" then I'd agree.
 
Hopefully this will help:

10 = perfect
9 = near-perfect
8 = great
7 = very good
6 = good
5 = average
4 = below average
3 = mediocre
2 = poor
1 = unwatchable

I consider the average episode of Trek to be somewhat good, hence why I grouped average and good together as one of my categories. They are very close to one another on my scale.
 
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And about Dark Page, I thought the ending was very emotional, but everything leading up to it was kind of dull and a little too slow paced. I did like the darker atmosphere of this one, though. On the whole I would give it a 4/10. It's a decent episode with some good qualities, but not great.
 
I own the set for Season Seeven and have noticed there are a few episodes that seem to be more filler than more the more dramtic story arcs.
 
I actually think season 7 has a lot fewer filler episodes than the other seasons. All Good Things brought the series to end, Preemptive Strike saw the betrayal of Ro Laren, Parallels was the beginning of the Troi/Worf romance, The Eye of the Beholder was a continuation of the Troi/Worf romance, Pegasus revealed Riker's darker side, Attached saw development for Picard and Crusher's relationship, Journey's End saw Wesley leave Starfleet and go off with the Traveler, The Lower Deck's was a rare look at life on the Enterprise for the lower ranking officers, Descent Part 2 saw the death of Lore, Phantasms saw development for Data.......I could probably come up with reasons for why some of the other episodes aren't filler, but I think this is probably enough. As you can see, quite a lot happened during the final season of TNG.
 
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