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There's multiple universes where

How does that help them die? They're supposed to die in the battle. (See also The City on The Edge of Forever) That's why the timeline is all screwed up. The didn't die there. The reason to accept their sacrificial return is for the cause of ensuring respect from the Klingon Empire. That's the catalyst for an eventual peace treaty with them. Klingons respect dying in battle even more than victory.

Being victoriously rescued by Starfleet from a Romulan attack might not necessarily engender the same respect as dying, during the effort to, as they had originally done
I agree with you

But sending someone to guaranteed death is difficult.
 
After a conversation last night, I decided to watch Code of Honor from Season 1.

Frakes has called this episode racist and trash. I think he forgot sexist and trash might be too polite for this episode.
 
I agree with you

But sending someone to guaranteed death is difficult.
100%, but it's also kind of part of their uniformed code, just like sending Geordi into certain radiation death, in a warp plasma shaft, to save the ship. (Thine Own Self)

What's tough about the 1701-C is the difficulty in seeing why they must die. It's hard to swallow "restoring the timeline" as a justifiable excuse, especially when you're IN the timeline, that you don't even realize is altered, & also that the baseline motivation is to garner good relations, that ultimately prevent future wars (that you're currently in)

It takes a lot of blind faith to make that leap, but you can actually see the risky outcome of any tweaking or meddling, in that Tasha should've never gone back (& Garrett should've never died in the future) having Tasha (with 24th century skills) go back instead of Garrett, might've changed history in itself, leaving the ship capable of offering survivors to be held as prisoners, thus creating Sela. Whereas, that might not have been the case for them initially
 
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100%, but it's also kind of part of their uniformed code, just like sending Geordi into certain radiation death, in a warp plasma shaft, to save the ship. (Thine Own Self)

What's tough about the 1701-C is the difficulty in seeing why they must die. It's hard to swallow "restoring the timeline" as a justifiable excuse, especially when you're IN the timeline, that you don't even realize is altered, & also that the baseline motivation is to garner good relations, that ultimately prevent future wars (that you're currently in)

It takes a lot of blind faith to make that leap, but you can actually see the risky outcome of any tweaking or meddling, in that Tasha should've never gone back (& Garrett should've never died in the future) having Tasha (with 24th century skills) go back instead of Garrett, might've changed history in itself, leaving the ship capable of offering survivors to be held as prisoners, thus creating Sela. Whereas, that might not have been the case for them initially
I had never thought of the survivors angle.
 
I think there is a way to explain this, if we make a few assumptions about what sort of game 3D chess is.

I don't think it's conventional chess played on a fancy board. It has significantly different rules. The 3D aspect gives it a much higher branching factor over conventional chess, with a vastly larger state space. Conventional chess already becomes computational intractable very quickly, but there are now heuristics and algorithms in our current era that can beat most players.

3D chess was designed as a response to chess becoming a solved game in our era, deliberately making the game so 'branchy' that practically every position outside of a known book of openings is entirely infeasible to compute effectively. This would reduce the effectiveness of AIs and solvers.

Data cannot simply brute force the game tree to completion.

There is probably a book of openings that put both players in a known position - in a sense the players work together - the opening being a convention between strong players that sets the stage for an exciting game.

But the point is, if you stray from this 'conventional wisdom', you quickly end up in uncharted game space. In that position, there would be opportunities for unusual strategies, 'beginners luck' against players who don't have good heuristics, you might even play successfully with your 'gut feeling'.

It's my suspicion that Troi put Data in exactly this place.

He has something of a blindspot when it comes to taking actions without evaluating the outcome probabilities, she was able to do something rather novel that resulted in a one-off win.

I like your explanation and I can kinda get behind the idea, I get the intuition angle.

Now, I'm reasonable at chess, but playing against a computer.... It'd hammer me every time. I do own an old Franklin Mint tridimensional chess set! And I found some rules online, link at end of post.

There's a couple of variations based on how the 'attack boards (the 2x2 squares) are used but it's otherwise pretty standard. Chess pieces still move like chess pieces. It's weird to get used to, and I never found anyone to play with. My wife gave it a go to humour me, now the chess set sits on a shelf and just looks cool. It's one of the few Trek things that doesn't reside in my man cave.

 
I like your explanation and I can kinda get behind the idea, I get the intuition angle.

Now, I'm reasonable at chess, but playing against a computer.... It'd hammer me every time. I do own an old Franklin Mint tridimensional chess set! And I found some rules online, link at end of post.

There's a couple of variations based on how the 'attack boards (the 2x2 squares) are used but it's otherwise pretty standard. Chess pieces still move like chess pieces. It's weird to get used to, and I never found anyone to play with. My wife gave it a go to humour me, now the chess set sits on a shelf and just looks cool. It's one of the few Trek things that doesn't reside in my man cave.

I only tend to consider on screen cannon, and we've seen very little of the 'actual' rules of 3D chess on screen - or even detailed in books - so I choose to believe 3D chess is more unusual!
 
"The Most Toys"

How did Fajo know Data would be the shuttle pilot?

"well, we've captured our 12th random ensign...but the next try will definitely work"
 
"Trransfigurations"

When he left the ship, was John Doe able to travel at warp? Did he know if he could?

"Well...shit...this is gonna take 4 thousand boring years to get home."
 
"Manage a Troi"

Were Daimon Bok and Daimon Tog related (played by the same dude, so i just added it to head-canon).

The Ferrengi could have just hired Devinoni Ral from "The price"
 
Best of Both Worlds II

If Riker had accepted the Melbourne, would Shelby had been made Captain of the Enterprise?

Probably not. It was Riker's choice to add her to the Chain of Command after Picard's abduction. If Riker hadn't been there, Data would likely be serving as Acting XO to Picard, so would be Acting Captain after Picard's abduction.

Him and Shelby have the same rank (Lt Cmdr) so there's no issue of rank, and Data is already in the Enterprise's chain of command whereas Sheby was not. Data would remain Acting Captain unless Starfleet Command overruled this because they didn't see him as suitable, but they had no problem with him commanding the Enterprise in Gambit.

I can see a case for Data asking Sheby to be XO, given they'd want Worf to remain at tactical.

You know, speaking of BOBW Part II, it occurred to be that Guinan probably saved Earth by telling Riker to act more unconventionally and not simply do what Picard would have done.

If the Borg know everything he knows, it's time to throw that book away. You must let him go Riker. It's the only way to beat him. The only way to save him.

There aren't many links in the casual chain between this and Riker choosing Sheby's plan to rescue Picard and try to access the collective. If she hadn't given him this advice, he may have chosen something more conventional.

So thanks, Guinan.

Maybe the reason that Parallels world existing where the Borg had overrun the Federation is that Guinan as on vacation on Risa that week...
 
Probably not. It was Riker's choice to add her to the Chain of Command after Picard's abduction. If Riker hadn't been there, Data would likely be serving as Acting XO to Picard, so would be Acting Captain after Picard's abduction.

Him and Shelby have the same rank (Lt Cmdr) so there's no issue of rank, and Data is already in the Enterprise's chain of command whereas Sheby was not. Data would remain Acting Captain unless Starfleet Command overruled this because they didn't see him as suitable, but they had no problem with him commanding the Enterprise in Gambit.

I can see a case for Data asking Sheby to be XO, given they'd want Worf to remain at tactical.

You know, speaking of BOBW Part II, it occurred to be that Guinan probably saved Earth by telling Riker to act more unconventionally and not simply do what Picard would have done.



There aren't many links in the casual chain between this and Riker choosing Sheby's plan to rescue Picard and try to access the collective. If she hadn't given him this advice, he may have chosen something more conventional.

So thanks, Guinan.

Maybe the reason that Parallels world existing where the Borg had overrun the Federation is that Guinan as on vacation on Risa that week...
The CO job was filled by Admiral Hansen.
I think he would choose Shelby over Data
 
The CO job was filled by Admiral Hansen.
I think he would choose Shelby over Data

That's a big if. The Admiral had his own command ship. Not sure why he'd end up on the Enterprise, or indeed how he'd get there given they were days from Earth.
 
That's a big if. The Admiral had his own command ship. Not sure why he'd end up on the Enterprise, or indeed how he'd get there given they were days from Earth.
Apologies for the verbal hiccup... by filled i dont mean he took the job, I mean he chose who got promoted to that billet
 
"The Most Toys"

How did Fajo know Data would be the shuttle pilot?

"well, we've captured our 12th random ensign...but the next try will definitely work"
The Hytritium, which was too volatile/unstable to be transported, was likely also a higher risk factor for the rest of the crew to be around. Data always gets those jobs that might be hazardous for the humanoid crew, or might require the highest level of precision in handling.

In this case, he was likely the only one that could do it, which would be known to Fajo, hence him using it in the 1st place. After all, if it were in some way hazardous to humanoids, it's not like he'd give a crap about his own crew's safety, in the goal of securing a prized acquisition
 
The Hytritium, which was too volatile/unstable to be transported, was likely also a higher risk factor for the rest of the crew to be around. Data always gets those jobs that might be hazardous for the humanoid crew, or might require the highest level of precision in handling.

In this case, he was likely the only one that could do it, which would be known to Fajo, hence him using it in the 1st place. After all, if it were in some way hazardous to humanoids, it's not like he'd give a crap about his own crew's safety, in the goal of securing a prized acquisition

Indeed, I'd have thought they'd be beyond the whole "meh just send the `droid" thing...
 
Best of Both Worlds II

If Riker had accepted the Melbourne, would Shelby had been made Captain of the Enterprise?

Possibly. Although I doubt her strategy would have been to recover Picard...and the E-D would have been disabled.

...Riker in command of the Melbourne might have tried to recover Picard tho. If it was really a Nebula class he could have pulled it off....and brought Locutus to the E-D.
 
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