Thoughts about a TOS revival with AI technology

[Ragitsu]

The question is, which values are to be upheld as the ideal? Classical Star Trek gave us the kind of self-disciplined people who make possible all the good things we depend on, like shelter, electricity, roads, vehicles, and clothing.

JJ-Trek and Discovery are more likely to celebrate the kind of entitled narcissists who, in real life, don't contribute anything.

Snark is no substitute for substance.

 

[T'Bonz]

*sigh*

This is the TOS forum. Let's keep it at that. TNG and other general Trek talk doesn't belong here.

 

[BillJ]

It's entertainment first, not prescriptive modeling.

I wish people could understand this.

 

[UssGlenn]

• From JJ-Trek onward, the writers don't understand Starfleet as a military service, because they don't like the military. And they don't know anything about military culture for the same reason.

Thing is, even if a writer had military experience today, the culture of the military has changed since WWII, so the feel still wouldn't match TOS.

 

[Mudd]

A lot of this boils down to "There's no future* in entertaining old people."

As a certifiably old person, I feel some distress on this point. Fortunately I also enjoy much of what younger people do...and it won't matter one way or the other for too much longer.

*Or money.

 

[Warped9]

A lot of this boils down to "There's no future* in entertaining old people."

This is part of why it’s ever harder to find television and film to enjoy. You are no longer part of that core target demographic. The core demographic’s interests, values, perspectives of life and even sense of humour have become alien and perhaps even absurd in your eyes.

I’m getting there as well. For people even older like our parents who might still be living it’s even worse—for many of them the current world is next to incomprehensible.

Television was once described as a vast wasteland. I certainly believe that to be even more true now.

 

[BillJ]

Television was once described as a vast wasteland. I certainly believe that to be even more true now.

It is no more or less a wasteland than it has ever been. Even if you don't like the current Star Trek, there are a lot of great TV shows out there.

 

[Warped9]

It is no more or less a wasteland than it has ever been. Even if you don't like the current Star Trek, there are a lot of great TV shows out there.

Not that much from my perspective. You get to a point where you have seen a lot of television over the years and it gets ever harder to find something of interest. Presently it’s easier to find things of interest on Youtube than television, and I hear a lot if people express the same sentiment.

Certainly, though, as your perspective evolves you can find yourself interested in things you likely never would have looked at in your youth. Certainly things like Mad Men, The Crown and The Gilded Age would likely never have been on my radar in my younger days.

Music is even worse. From my view, or from what I can hear, the vast majority of music of the past twenty years is soulless, unimaginative, talentless garbage.

 

[aridas sofia]

And that Starfleet is declared time and again to not be a military service and the idea of "professional " has taken on a different tone nowadays.

This is true. However, if an organization is shown to engage in military activities, one would presume it must engage in the kinds of organization, drill, interaction, etc supportive of military action. To communicate that this organization can fight when it is shown to fight it must comport in some ways with the idea people watching it have of how fighting organizations behave. In 1966, that meant portraying Starfleet to people intimately aware of how the military behaves because they were subject to the draft. Today, we are generations removed from that real-world frame of reference and instead what substitutes are fictional portrayals that vary wildly in their fidelity to the real thing.

 

[1001001]

Okay, clearly we're done with "AI Star Trek Revival."

Putting this thread out of its misery.