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Things you HATED about this show. As much as there are positives about STD there is much CRINGE!

Nothing about Discovery warrants hate-level (imo), but a minor gripe for me would be the shadowy tribunal / panel that sentenced Burnham was somewhat distracting and rather b-grade in execution. Also - I do believe there was steam/smoke/dust emanating from behind them (to create mood), so a strange direction to take on this, all other movies with shadowy, faceless judges aside. Eyes Wide Shut, I could understand, but Star Trek Discovery, not so much...
 
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I was disappointed no one interrupted any of T'Kuvma's long-winded soliloquies.
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Also what is the orange guys deal about his species being able to "sense impending death"? He said something about his species being bred for that purpose.

Stupid premise.
I don't know, that actually sounds interesting. I mean what lead to his people becoming that? who were the ones that bred his people? how did his people get free? how does Saru grow from fearing everything? how does his abilities towards survival help the crew? There is actually alot of potential fodder here for future stories. First seasons in television development is laying down the ground work for later seasons.

That and his character dialouge/dynamics with Michael were actually fun, one of the brief moments of levity in the first ep.
 
I don't know, that actually sounds interesting. I mean what lead to his people becoming that? who were the ones that bred his people? how did his people get free? how does Saru grow from fearing everything? how does his abilities towards survival help the crew? There is actually alot of potential fodder here for future stories. First seasons in television development is laying down the ground work for later seasons.

That and his character dialouge/dynamics with Michael were actually fun, one of the brief moments of levity in the first ep.

It's a lot like Spock simply saying, "because she feels...I don't" in Where No Man Has Gone Before without much more explanation. It's a character/species trait that can be built upon and explored as the series moves on.
 
I don't like cheesy dialogs with no real depth and i don't like how Klingons seem a lot off, I don't mind so much different appereance as I do mind that their actions were not honorable and not farmiliar. They didn't even mention word "honor". Since this is not a thread about what do we like, I will not mention those things but for now I do like the show.

They actually mentioned honor several times.
 
Dislike: Subscription with commercials. Make it free with commercials, paid with none - no tiers.

Like: DVD/BDs when they come out, because that's they only way I'll watch so long as we are required to pay for commercials.

I paid to have no commercials. Still cheaper than BD.
You need to have an active subscription any time you want to watch. DVD/BDs remain free to watch forever after the initial purchase. So no.

Also, you are at the whim of a third party to maintain an online library, which is always more limiting than having your own.
 
I don't know, that actually sounds interesting. I mean what lead to his people becoming that? who were the ones that bred his people? how did his people get free? how does Saru grow from fearing everything? how does his abilities towards survival help the crew? There is actually alot of potential fodder here for future stories. First seasons in television development is laying down the ground work for later seasons.

That and his character dialouge/dynamics with Michael were actually fun, one of the brief moments of levity in the first ep.
I really want to see how his seeing of impending death actually manifests. In my mind it's no different than animals. The way they know before humans when a natural disaster is coming or how a bird knows the exact second when to move even if looking in the complete opposite direction eating something. I have a conure so I know that one pretty well lol.
 
Personally, I've chosen to stop bemoaning the fact they aren't making any Trek past the 24th century for TV. Maybe they will in 2067 (if TV survives that long, which would be a MAJOR canon violation). But apparently the marketing geniuses agree that's not what people want right now. So I'll enjoy this on its own merits, I guess.
 
You need to have an active subscription any time you want to watch. DVD/BDs remain free to watch forever after the initial purchase. So no.

Also, you are at the whim of a third party to maintain an online library, which is always more limiting than having your own.
Technically, also at the whim of a third party who makes the media player.
 
2). Klingons as a metaphor for Trump supporters. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SOVIETS! Stop twisting canon and forcing a square peg into a round hole

I don't they are Trump supporters in a strict sense, just xenophobes. You can argue they are like ISIS for example, a bunch of zealots that demand cultural purity.

Making these Klingons stand ins for the USSR 25 years after the Berlin wall fell is stupid, Star Trek should comment on today's politics, not the politics of the 60s. Plus the TOS Klingons were just generic baddies, this takes aspects of the more defined TNG era Klingons and gives it a different spin.

3). Lifting the story of the first two episodes from Balance of Terror, but swapping the Klingons in for the Romulans. WHAT. THE. F.

Hasn't Star Trek done a ton of call back episodes in the past?
 
You need to have an active subscription any time you want to watch. DVD/BDs remain free to watch forever after the initial purchase. So no.

Also, you are at the whim of a third party to maintain an online library, which is always more limiting than having your own.

You look at it any way you like. Since I do not ever rewatch serialized shows (that includes 24, DS9, GoT, Walking Dead, and Lost which are all amongst my favorite television shows of all time), it is far cheaper for me to enjoy the show through CBSAA.

So yes.
 
The good:

-Michael Burham character
-the props
-the potential

The bad
1-Michelle yeoh acting
2-phaser effects (ship and hand phaser) look like Star Wars blasters or like Abrams crap
3-the producers said they wanted to respect canon but then roll out these odd looking klingons --- that don't look like canon and other tech like holo communicators-- not til DS9
4- producers are really rebooting the klingons... not following canon



Who else agrees ?
 
Opening monologue, first officer speaks too fast and does not enunciate, TOS,TNG,DS9 VOY and ent had officers with impeccable enunciation.

It gets a little better in the actual acting of the episode. Character introduction scenes. Walking around on sand during a storm to make a starfleet logo?! To allow the ship to find them?! Heard of trackers,heard of flares carried by hikers and the army?

Doesn't make any sense, away team always has coordinates to be at to be beamed up. Main character is shown joining the crew out of vulcan.

You do not become a starfleet officer out of a vulcan school, you need to go to starfleet academy and earn your commission. Sending First officer in a suit through an asteroid field... to investigate an alien artifact which scrambles telemetry? What they don't have probes ?

This is start trek, surely the brilliant science officer can speculate on why the signal gets jammed and find a solution or discover Klingons are behind it thus moving the plot forward or justifying sending someone there.

Sending the first officer in an asteroid field without plausible cause is an necessary risk. No starfleet officer, let alone a captain would act so recklessly. Klingon warrior happening to be in a space suit already on the hull of the Klingon artifact?

Klingons speaking in klingons the entire time. It's a tv show Klingon could speak in english for the audience like they do in all Star trek TV shows. It's one thing to have a couple of dialogues in Klingons (and preferably without subtitles)but no need to have 15 ,minute long talks about honor forcing people to read cheap looking subtitles.

Klingons without facial hair is a sin, they look like cheap Prometheus movie aliens. Klingons armors are not practical for a fight they can cut and hurt themselves moving around or falling in them. The klingons wear soo much makeup and prosthetic the actors can't even talk properly. (try speaking klingon with a potato in your mouth)

First officer leaving the sickbay in the middle of radiation therapy? What they don't have communication system on that ship? The entire premise of striking first ... to earn respect? Coming from someone raise by Vulcans!? And having Vulcans have been striking first at Klingons!? Is actually an insult to what the Vulcans are and what logic dictates.

When the ships battle I got reminded of Garibaldi firing his pistol in Babylon 5. PHIST...PISHT.....PISHT.
It was wrong to use that sound effect.

The battle lacked any pacing and was awful.The Europa arrives and is quickly destroyed by a colliding with huge Klingon ship which parks in front of it!

The Klingon ships looked like indistinct blobs and badly lit.Cutlery and barnacles.The beams looked laser pen beams.

When wounded officer talks to Burnham in the brig the battle mysteriously stops.

You can not be Vulcan and prone striking first against an adversary you know next to nothing about. Sarek's quote after Michael say she killed a klingon 'It is only fair that you hurt them after what they did to your parents' Like .. What?

Klingons murdered my parents therefore killing any klingon is fair? Who in the writing room thought that is what Vulcan philosophy and Sarek's teaching are about? A Starfleet officer, a commander ... advocating strike first ask questions later? No, no starfleet officer would do that, maybe under extreme circumstances, but earning respect is not one of them, that action is completely out of character.

Incapacitating the captain and getting on the bridge as if nothing happened, outwardly lying to all the bridge crew .... definitely not starfleet officer behavior. Starfleet bridge crew member saying 'we are explorers .. not warriors' Seriously? Starfleet is a military organization, Ships are equipped to defend themselves and officers get tactical training and are prepared for the eventuality of a battle.

Main character having ethical debate with the computer... The entire half gets destroy but somehow the brig's forcefield expands ... And then she negotiates being ejected in space... Physically not possible the entire thing is just show off. Star trek is not about stunts.

The captain takes back the mutineer officer? God that is impossible and out of character for a starfleet captain. Then they lead a 2 person away mission to capture the klingon leader? As If Klingons negotiate ... Here again , there are no valid tactical justification for these action and having the captain leave the ship during battle is a breach of starfleet protocol. let alone both the captain and the first officer at the same time and with no one else?

Blindly teleporting into the Klingon ship.... Oh yes and apparently that first officer gets sentenced to life in prison but is going to serve as an officer again coming episode 3? This show might be entertaining if you overlook how starfleet officers are expect to behave and act. Discover definitely has some some nice visual effects and is packed it action but it misses what makes star trek, star trek. It lacks soul.

First two episodes. I honestly hated it. Saw it on Netflix first two episodes and; the special effects were great, there story was great. But the rest... blaaahhhh!. The actors were badly mis cast, there was so much over acting just embarrassing. On the bridge just over talking everything. Doug Jones annoying as hell.

The Captain came across as weak and ridiculous and holding no authority what so ever. That the first officer knocks her out and tries to take command was kind of a moment but also a WTF what sort of Star Trek officer does this.

The Klingons spoke annoyingly slowly, where racist all black, had the complexions of gummy bears, dressed like effeminate courtiers from some medieval show but where supposed to be tough? I doubt it.

Two women go to capture 200 kilogram Klingons...
 
Hate is a strong word. I didn't like the Klingons, not because they look different, but because I simply don't care for Klingons. They have been done to death on Star Trek. I'd rather see more Vulcans, Tellarites, Andorians and Romulans. Hell, even the Borg are welcome.

The other things that bugged me was Sarek mentally contacting Burnham lightyears away in the brig. That's just silly. And Starfleet admirals who seem so dumb all the time.
 
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