Things you HATED about this show. As much as there are positives about STD there is much CRINGE!

[Albinator]

That's exactly what it means in the context I used it.

Things don't mean what you want them to just because you say they do.

OK. How about all hat and no cattle?

The key here is that you're mistaking a subjective opinion for an objective fact. "I don't like it" does not mean "it's not there." Either that, or you don't comprehend what "cake" really is. I think someone at your level would be wiser just to say "I didn't like it."

I won't go any further in this discussion, because your ability to grasp simple concepts is severely lacking. Have a good day.

 

[cultcross]

Dial it down @Albinator please. Fine to disagree, but no need for the snarky additions.

 

[JRoss]

Not sure that wee need a devoted negative thread, but I'll contribute.

First, as always, are the positives.

This show is GORGEOUS. Beautiful ships (especially since they fixed the Discovery), from the ship designs to the backgrounds. I like the Era and don't mind the new Klingons. I also don't care that some aspects of Klingon society seem to contradict what's gone before.

That said, there are a few things that I'm not a fan of:

The dialogue was inane. I am very glad that this will likely be Fuller's sole script contribution. Garbage. Way too many monologues.
Martin-Green is probably a fine actress, but we can't tell from this. Also, they gave far too much of the spotlight to Burnham in this episode. I like ensemble Trek.
The Jedi Mindmeld was pretty farfetched, but Troi's empathic powers probably shouldn't work over subspace comms,so it isn't as if this is unfamiliar territory.
As nice as Michelle Yeoh may be, her English pronunciation could use improvement. I watched with subtitles to make sure that I could understand everything. Other folks might not have the same problem, as I do have some hearing/sensory issues.
Burnhams actions. How are we supposed to root for this character? She makes snap choices based on fear, but we're supposed to believe that she has a record of winning in every situation. It might not be as egregious as JJKirk getting promoted to captain straight from the academy, but at least in that situtation we had a character with 42 years of cultural relevance.

 

[chappaai]

I had a list of concerns a mile long about Discovery before it even aired. I wanted to be proven wrong. Then I found a complete deal breaker in the little bit I could watch. The over use of lens flares and circular/tilting cameras didn't sit well with me at all, and I got too ill to keep watching. I have some severe health issues, but I had no idea it'd prevent me from watching a Star Trek series. Its really irritating, since I'm the kind of person who if you tell me "You can't do that" that makes me want to do that thing more, just to prove them wrong. As much as I want to push through it, its really not worth the headaches, nausea & vomiting.

I wish I could decide for myself what I think of this show, but from the sound of things I might be better off in the dark. Still can't shake a slight sense of disappointment. But on the bright side, there's so much I CAN enjoy (prior TV series, movies & novels) so I'm going to focus on that.

 

[JRoss]

Klingons are space Vikings - not similar to the Soviet Union.

Soviet Union would be more the Romulans, operating networks of spies with all that clever duplicity stuff.

They only became Vikings in TNG.

 

[Sarek@Vulcan]

I don't like cheesy dialogs with no real depth and i don't like how Klingons seem a lot off, I don't mind so much different appereance as I do mind that their actions were not honorable and not farmiliar. They didn't even mention word "honor". Since this is not a thread about what do we like, I will not mention those things but for now I do like the show.

 

[slappy]

I thought the Klingons were fantastic in every way....except how they looked. And they could've EASILY solved that by having a couple of the house leaders look like regular Klingons. I loved how they had flames on the bridge. How did nobody ever think of that before? That's SO Klingon.

Also what is the orange guys deal about his species being able to "sense impending death"? He said something about his species being bred for that purpose.

Stupid premise.

I loved it. You have to be watching like a Vulcan to not get a chill from that.

 

[Mudd]

"I don't like it" does not mean "it's not there."

It's not there.

In my opinion.

 

[trekfan_1]

Klingon make-up and the storyline itself.

Otherwise it was great.

Your response kinda reminds me of what Odo said about bloodwine: "It's really not too bad... except for the taste"

 

[Tribble puncher]

True, it could have been T'Pol--that might have made more sense.

They could have gotten the original actress to reprise the role, unless she's too busy

 

[Spot261]

Burnhams actions. How are we supposed to root for this character? She makes snap choices based on fear, but we're supposed to believe that she has a record of winning in every situation. It might not be as egregious as JJKirk getting promoted to captain straight from the academy, but at least in that situtation we had a character with 42 years of cultural relevance.

Hmmm, based on this it's hard to see someone with the maturity and experience to be so highly placed and regarded, she was impulsive, irresponsible, panicky and needlessly confrontational, more Ro/early Pine Kirk than Riker. Whilst much of this was obviously done for dramatic purposes it certainly precludes the "Mary Sue" moniker for me, which from a wider standpoint could be seen as a positive, but would sit more naturally with a raw recruit than a seasoned and well respected officer.

I rather liked Saru personally, it was good to see a starfleet officer actually show realistic apprehension in the line of duty for a change and the "sensing of death" thing didn't jar for me as much as it seems to have done others. Whilst that might be down to my less esoteric interpretation (naturally state of alertness to danger of a prey species rather than psychic premonition) the line was delivered well IMHO.

Anyone else wonder though how all those warring Klingons from around the fragmented Empire (who we are led to believe may or may not respond at all) managed to conveniently turn up en masse at precisely the same time in good order, whilst the perfectly drilled and professional Starfleet is yet again playing catch up and scrabbling for ships in their own space?

"The Shenzou is the only line of defence"

As ever the only ship in the sector?

 

[Captain April]

Just the lense flare.
That sh*t has to go ASAP.

A-bloody-men!

That and the terrible Klingon teeth. It's like listening to Sylvester the cat speak Klingon.

 

[Tribble puncher]

I didn't like the new Klingon ship designs, I didn't mind the Flagship, but the Klingon ship design is almost as iconic as the Constitution design, at least keep the silhouette of the D-7

 

[Noname Given]

I don't like cheesy dialogs with no real depth and i don't like how Klingons seem a lot off, I don't mind so much different appereance as I do mind that their actions were not honorable and not farmiliar. They didn't even mention word "honor". Since this is not a thread about what do we like, I will not mention those things but for now I do like the show.

To be fair - Klingons in TNG were VERY RARELY "Honorable" in their actions. Yes, they SPOKE of "Honor" and used the word a lot in speeches to each other; but they were rarely actually honorable (Go re-watch TNG - "Sins of the Father" or "Redemption I & II" or "Khaless" and/or DS9 - "Way of the Warrior".)

The issues with the Klingons here wasn't their actions or their look being inconsistent (in the script). The main issue was forcing all those actors in heavy prosthetic appliances and makeup to speak the Klingon language phonetically - which hampered any real 'acting' they could bring because they both really didn't understand what they were saying as they struggled to say it in "Klingon"; and the fact they were SO concerned with getting the "words" out correctly, they weren't able to concentrate on any other aspects of acting abilities they could have brought to their characters on screen.

 

[Shawnster]

I really liked the Klingon new look. And their ships do look distinctively alien. Now, having said that, I can not reconcile anything I've seen in Trek with this visual reimagining.

I disliked Sarek. I like the suggestion of using T'Pol instead. Does anyone really think casual viewers are going to recognize Sarek? If it's not Spock, the casual viewer is not going to care, in my opinion. Anyone recognizing "Spock's Dad" is more than a casual viewer. Making the character Sarek did not affect the story in any way. In fact, I found this Sarek to be out of character from what we've seen up to this point.

I dislike making this yet another prequel series. Again, how does setting this 10 years BEFORE TOS connect it to TOS in the eyes of the so-called casual viewer? If Kirk, Spock and McCoy and the Enterprise are not in the show, what casual viewer is going to care or even recognize anything? There is no need story wise to make this another prequel. That serves no purpose. It could have been the same story had it been set 100 years in the future. Nothing from these 2 episodes would have changed except Sarek being a character and the throw-away reference to Donatu V. OH, and the "we don't know how to deal with Klingons" mindset.

I disliked the fact that Captain Georgiou dies. I loved her and would thoroughly enjoy a Shenzouh series.

I disliked that the first two episodes of Star Trek: Discovery do not feature the Discovery. Ex-Astris descried these two episodes as "prologue" episodes. That's an apt description.

Making the Starfleet Delta out of footprints in the sand was a massively trite eyeroll moment.

I don't care what those in charge and CBS say, this is a reboot. It's an alternate timeline. That's the only way it makes sense. I'm approaching this from that mindset and going to enjoy the ride. Otherwise, I'll have an aneruysm.

 

[JRoss]

Anyone else wonder though how all those warring Klingons from around the fragmented Empire (who we are led to believe may or may not respond at all) managed to conveniently turn up en masse at precisely the same time in good order, whilst the perfectly drilled and professional Starfleet is yet again playing catch up and scrabbling for ships in their own space?

Those ships all came from Qo'onos. And there was a bit of a time jump between the end of the first episode and the beginning of the second

 

[Joanna McCoy-Kirk]

As nice as Michelle Yeoh may be, her English pronunciation could use improvement. I watched with subtitles to make sure that I could understand everything. Other folks might not have the same problem, as I do have some hearing/sensory issues.

I heard/read somewhere that the actress decided to use her natural Malaysian-Chinese accent in the part.

 

[Butters]

Three things about it so far that really get my goat.

1). Dizzying camera work. Quit it!
2). Sarek not played by Mark Leonard, what were they thinking?
3). Unable to binge watch the whole season on a week night with crate of beer and a bucket of fried chicken, yet.

 

[Fateor]

I thought the Klingons were fantastic in every way....except how they looked. And they could've EASILY solved that by having a couple of the house leaders look like regular Klingons. I loved how they had flames on the bridge. How did nobody ever think of that before? That's SO Klingon.

Because they are in spaceships...

And fire in Spaceships is bad, as they pointed out in The Next Generation.

 

[Paradise City]

They only became Vikings in TNG.

Well, Kruge kinda fits that mould. Well, if not, he's a pirate anyway.