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Things you DON'T want to see in a reboot...

Story arcs, I have no use for a sci-fi soap opera. I'd rather have an episodic format.

See I would take the opposite approach, I think we have seen enough of an episodic Star Trek format and would would much rather see a show with story arcs.

Really I think the best shows on TV at the moment use story arcs to great effect and that of show is more appealing in the age of binge watching.

Best to look to the future of television, rather then trying to be mired in the past and make it another episodic TV show. That seems so 1980s.
 
The reservation I have with arcs is possibly damaging the anthology like format that worked so well for TOS and TNG.
 
Blingons
All Romulans with smooth foreheads
Female skirt uniforms
Damsels in distress
Disproportionately large starships
Generic aliens of completely unknown species
Totally human command crew
Ridiculous coincidences
Religion constantly treated as real
Plot threads that are left dangling for too long in a story arc
Inconsistent universal translator use
 
Basically most shows that do story arcs (or at any rate do them well) have a multi-tiered approach, where you have self-contained episodes that also contribute to larger arcs. Whether this needs to become "soap opera" depends on how it's done. Moore's BSG found a good balance for its first two season, B5 also did it well. Technically there should be no reason a Trek show couldn't manage it, provided the writing room jettisoned the idea that Arcs Are Bad and Continuity Is A Prison.
 
I don't want to see:

* A gritty reboot - If it goes the way of the new Battlestar Galactica or most contempary dramas with shady characters, excessive angst, nihilism, etc.--forget it!
* Continuity Flushed Away - I want to keep all of the rich backstory of the past series.
* Excessive Serialization - I like continuity, but I don't want season-long plots or series-long plots taking up the entire series. I enjoy the occasional two/three parter, sure, and sequel episodes are fine, but I want some standalone adventures as well.
* Darker View of Humanity - Please keep the optimism of the view of the future that humanity has overcome, united, and evolved. Optimistic sci-fi is so rare these days...
* Excessive Cursing/Gore/Sexuality - A personal preference, sure, but I like my Trek TV-PG.
* Bland Background Music - I'd love to see the rich background scoring complete with motifs and themes from early TNG make a comeback as compared to the comparatively bland BGM of later-era Trek (excepting some of Enterprise). Also, I'd definitely want a FULL orchestral intro sequence.
 
I don't want to see:

* Continuity Flushed Away - I want to keep all of the rich backstory of the past series.
Actually, unless under very certain circumstances this is one thing I believe really has to go. It's still there for those who want to enjoy it, but it's just too much baggage to carry around anymore.
 
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Continuity Flushed Away - I want to keep all of the rich backstory of the past series.
Actually, unless under very certain circumstances this is one thing I believe really has to go. It's still there for those who want to enjoy it, but it's just too much baggage to carry around anymore.
There would be nothing wrong with pushing continuity into the background, it certainly doesn't need to be invoked constantly. That said, neither does there need to be some kind of continuity "reset button" back to extreme basics. Getting rid of too much of Star Trek's rich backstory and it becomes just a generic sci-fi show.

Please keep the optimism of the view of the future that humanity has overcome, united, and evolved
I feel it should be a mixed bag here. Even in Star Fleet and on the hero ship there need to be main characters whose personal philosophies differ from each other.

One of the Trek scenes I liked the best was in the episode Pen Pals, where all the principal character gather in Picard's quarter to discuss the prime directive and it turned out that they all had a different interpretation as to what it actually meant.

Sweet.

:)
 
I don't want to see:

* A gritty reboot - If it goes the way of the new Battlestar Galactica or most contempary dramas with shady characters, excessive angst, nihilism, etc.--forget it!
* Continuity Flushed Away - I want to keep all of the rich backstory of the past series.
* Excessive Serialization - I like continuity, but I don't want season-long plots or series-long plots taking up the entire series. I enjoy the occasional two/three parter, sure, and sequel episodes are fine, but I want some standalone adventures as well.
* Darker View of Humanity - Please keep the optimism of the view of the future that humanity has overcome, united, and evolved. Optimistic sci-fi is so rare these days...
* Excessive Cursing/Gore/Sexuality - A personal preference, sure, but I like my Trek TV-PG.
* Bland Background Music - I'd love to see the rich background scoring complete with motifs and themes from early TNG make a comeback as compared to the comparatively bland BGM of later-era Trek (excepting some of Enterprise). Also, I'd definitely want a FULL orchestral intro sequence.

:bolian:
 
Probably because it's much more hit-and-miss in terms of what I liked in contemporary Trek I have no great fondness for a lot of what they established continuity wise so I could easily jettison most if not all of it.

And no matter how much you think it's supposedly easy to ignore what came before someone will inevitably start trying to reference past works as well as ignore or overlook what came before. And then the arguments start all over again.
 
The reservation I have with arcs is possibly damaging the anthology like format that worked so well for TOS and TNG.

I think TOS and TNG were great shows, but they were also products of their time and just trying to recreate a show from the 60s or the 80s in today's TV landscape seems like a bad way to get Star Trek back on the air.

When TNG tried to be TOS in the 80s, it was a bad show, it only became a good show when it got out of TOS' shadow. I think a new show will have to adapt to the current TV landscape, rather then trying to be an 1980s show today.

So I would say the thing I would not want to see in a new Star Trek show, is a purely episodic format.
 
When TNG tried to be TOS in the 80s, it was a bad show, it only became a good show when it got out of TOS' shadow. I think a new show will have to adapt to the current TV landscape, rather then trying to be an 1980s show today.
The flaw with TNG's early seasons wasn't structure or format. The flaw was execution. GR didn't trust anyone in knowing what they were doing to get things done right. He was constantly overriding others and shooting down their ideas thinking he was the only one who knew best. He had become a shadow of his younger self when he could trust in others' abilities and talents to delivery good work. Things didn't get better for TNG until GR started to step away. This had a subsequent effect, though, because even though he didn't know well enough to leave alone whatever positive influence he had was also taken away and the show began to take on an identity that was not Star Trek anymore.

I know it's an old argument and fans of given shows will protest, but the later work did reinterpret GR's idea into something else. This isn't a new issue because it started to happen way back during TOS' second season and then throughout much of the films. While Gene Coon brought a lot to Star Trek he also had more conventional impulses than GR (and others) did in the day. Coon could be less forward thinking as GR on many things and he wasn't as forward thinking as even D.C. Fontana. Even so GR was there to reign things in when he felt they went too far. Roddenberry and Coon certainly didn't agree on the degree and type of humour to be used in Star Trek. Coon wanted more and Roddenberry wanted it dialed back. TOS' third season is a further example of the loss of Roddenberry's positive influence to properly polish things off before going before the camera.

GR might have been thinking this during the early years of TNG, but by then he wasn't the man he was. During TOS he could guide while still being able to recognize and trust the good ideas of others. Later he could recognize and trust others' good ideas. He took it all on himself and he wasn't up to it.

In the old days GR liked to make NBC look like villians even though they were (initially) supportive and could have good suggestions. That issue got worse later on during TNG because now GR resisted input from others besides the suits. A case in point could have been the exploding Remick in TNG's "Conspiracy" episode. The studio wanted caution exercised in showing Remick's death and his remains with the creature inside. In protest GR made the post production team make the scene more and more intense than it needed to be. It wasn't about who was right, but about Roddenberry making a point about who was in charge.

The early seasons were also plagued by cast and crew's lack of familiarity with what they were doing. This might also be traced back to conflicting messages on what they were trying to do. Too bad Roddenberry alienated key people (like D.C. Fontana and David Gerrold) who could have helped things go more smoothly.

So again TNG's problem in the early goings wasn't format, but execution.
 
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I want Dragnet style Trek! Just the facts! :lol:

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek with this comment, but have you seen Dragnet lately? It's practically unwatchable.

Give me Hill Street Blues, Homicide: Life on the Street, or The Wire style Star Trek any day over any of the Mark VII crap.
 
I want Dragnet style Trek! Just the facts! :lol:

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek with this comment, but have you seen Dragnet lately? It's practically unwatchable.

I watched Dragnet reruns almost every day after school in the 60s. I loved the dry, monotonic delivery of Jack Webb and Harry Morgan. Dan Aykroyd's 80s "tribute" just didn't work for me. No one could do Joe Friday better than Jack Webb did.

It probably wouldn't work for Trek, but it might be fun to see an attempt. ;)
 
First of all, who says it has to be a reboot? Why not a continuation of existing canon? That said, here's what I don't want to see:

  • Klingons--they've been beaten to death in both TNG and DS9, and the honor, honor, honor crap doesn't work anymore
  • Characters who serve no purpose--I can understand wanting to have a full regular cast, but I'd rather have a smaller group of fleshed-out characters than a bunch of characters who never do anything other than spout random lines
  • Pointless romances--I gagged when I saw Seven and Chakotay kiss on-screen, and Worf-Dax wasn't much better: romances between characters who've chemistry between them are fine, but I draw the line on relationships that make no sense
  • Incompetent bad guys--I realize the writers want to portray the heroes of the story in a sympathetic light, but doing so by marginalizing other characters doesn't work: the best Trek villains and antagonists work because they're the equals of the protagonists but oppose what they stand for, not because they're stupid
  • Obnoxious admirals--kind of similar to above: not every flag officer is an asshole, and not every captain is right just because he or she sits in a big chair: moreover, feature admirals who are partners with their subordinates and use their authority to make things happen rather than get in the way
--Sran
 
A chief engineer! I think TNG had the right idea when they didn't have one at the start, 90% of the time the chief engineer is just used to deliver techno babble or to fix things at the last minute, I don't need to hear or see that. Something's broken? Tell engineering to fix it and have an anonymous voice say "yes, sir!".
 
A chief engineer! I think TNG had the right idea when they didn't have one at the start, 90% of the time the chief engineer is just used to deliver techno babble or to fix things at the last minute, I don't need to hear or see that. Something's broken? Tell engineering to fix it and have an anonymous voice say "yes, sir!".

Lose the technobabble, keep the chief engineer. That approach worked with Scotty. The chief engineer is essentially the voice of the ship. A good one make the ship come alive and seem like a character in its own right.
 
Things I wouldn't want to see:
-Women falling in love within like a minute
-Weak women
-Too much action (more character development)
-An academy series (this seems to be something people want but I don't see how it would work)
-Making a new timeline (I think it should continue with the entire timeline started with TOS and ending with ENT)
-Set before TOS (I think should be post-Voyager)
-Wacky admirals with not-too-nice agendas and Starfleet looking like the bad guy
 
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