i guess she failed, not knowing it was a test?
Spoilers Things that grind my gears about S3
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Probably, given that Kovick seemed nonplused by her comment.
Who cares?
I like it because 1) it means the Federation is about more than just Earth, and 2) there is no evidence that there is discrimination on Earth, and 3) Earth can go on a path to redemption and rejoin the UFP in later episodes.
Don't care.
Energy obtained from raw matter. Raw matter that obtained in the form of feces. It makes perfect sense and is consistent with the TNG Tech Manual.
[quote5. The new Turbolift "shafts"
They make literally no sense, what they had before was fine and actually made sense, why change it?[/quote]
Yeah, the seemingly Manhattan-size interior of the Discovery was dumb.
So true to the ideals of Star Trek, of reacting with compassion and empathy instead of violence and revenge.
Depends of how one thinks about it and what ones perception of 'disgust' actually is and how its viewed in relation to being human - which (again) will be shaped by the environment in which one grew up in, and subsequent stimuli the person received (new information they received, whether it was relevant or not, putting things into different context, etc.).
But they can be controlled, put into different perspective/context if you actively work on it and minimize their influence on your ability to arrive at decisions or how you see the world.
Don't take this the wrong way, but have you considered the possibility of changing your emotions in that case, so as to no longer associate recycling of any kind of matter (say feces or urine) into food and water with 'disgust'?
Meditation might help towards this end.
Since I have no objection to recycling of this kind nor the use as a food source I see no reason to change my emotion since it isn't impacting my behavior.
Saru mentioned that it improved maneuverability at impulse... which on one hand makes sense if you consider the premise the nacelles are the heaviest part of a starship, HOWEVER, on the other hand, it doesn't make ANY sense because SF ships already achieved exceedingly high maneuverability at sublight by reducing their inertial mass via establishing a low level subspace field around them (which results in really high sublight velocities of at least 75 000 km per second and maneuverability comparable to small fighter craft) - which is what SF has been doing since at least 23rd and 24th centuries (field control) - heck, the USS Discovery itself showed greater maneuverability in Season 1 at sublight than it did in the 32nd century.
To me field manipulation (aka inertial mass reduction via subspace fields) seems more efficient.
The writers may have forgotten about this or just wanted something 'cool' to add so as to make ships more visually different.
I would have to say though that WIFI power transfer exists in 24th century Federation (and in 23rd for that matter), so, having nacelles separate and feeding them more than enough power without losses wouldn't be an issue... in fact, perhaps it offers further safety if someone targets the nacelles so they could detach completely from the hull in that case and prevent the damage from spreading to the rest of the ship (albeit this wasn't mentioned).
Perhaps... and their reasons for not being Federation members (self-sustaining) doesn't track. Even before the Burn, I'd imagine that most/all member species planets would have to be self-sufficient to begin with. A space faring society capable of Warp that meets the criteria for joining the Federation would essentially HAVE to be self-sustaining (given what Bajor had to do in order to qualify for Federation membership).
But there was another explanation, they mentioned Earth's safety for why the Federation/SF HQ left Earth in the first place... which from a security point of view does track (since they had no idea who/what caused the Burn and whether it was a targeted attack or not), but in that time, it would have been better that SOL already had built its own Dyson Sphere for example and decided to cut itself off to further for protection - another missed opportunity (that and how they dealt with lack of communications in the episode between Earth and Titan was also ridiculous).
I balked at that nonsense too. That 'flaw' would have been eliminated well before late 24th century.
But its possible Kovich introduced these flawed holos specifically for Georgiou... and he was more amused by this premise and could have been testing her. Again, we don't know because nothing was revealed (even as a passing line).
As for why Pulaski didn't blink at Moriarty... probably because she didn't know, and its possible that Moriarty wouldn't be susceptible to this problem seeing how the computer made adjustments so that Moriarty could defeat Data (who in fact WOULD know of this vulnerability in holos... but then, why didn't he TRY it? Maybe he did off-screen briefly - but 24th century holos' didn't have these kinds of vulnerabilities).
I already addressed no.4 so no need for me to say it again.
Even Season 1 and 2 both featured huge chasms on Discovery and Enterprise through which turbolifts moved and didn't scale at all with the internals of either ship... but I can see why they would get rid of the support struts for the turbolifts in the 32nd century as part of the retrofit.
Turbolifts are maglev based, and much like maglev trains which require 'tracks' today, they also needed those 'tracks' in the 23rd and 24th centuries... now (in the 32nd) they simply decided to get rid of the struts/rails/tracks themselves in order free up internal space and they can do so with programmable matter which materializes things as needed and these new Wireless tracks which act as levitating checkpoints for turbolifts are so finely tuned that they are as reliable as physical matter if not possibly more so.
Removing the tracks to free up space makes sense (you can put in more fusion reactors there for example) but without specifically saying that Disco now has TARDIS tech as seen from a previous 30th century time pod ship we saw on ENT, what we saw in the last episode was simply speaking TOO HUGE to fit on the inside of that ship and didn't make any sense.
Agreed, but to be fair, most things in real life are anticlimatic as well. Most humans tend to make up sensationalist nonsense because they think this is the only way to entertain themselves.
They could have made a reason for the Burn simply speaking different - say it was caused by an extra-galactic species that was close to being a Type IV civilization (and Federation achieving Type III status and starting to transition to Type IV before the Burn and advancing even faster due to how they operate). Classical xenophobia/fear brought into the equation as a reason for attacking the Federation from say half a universe away.
The Spore Drive would literally be invaluable here. The Federation would (realistically) have ability to reach other galaxies fairly effortlessly by this time, but the Spore Drive would be in a different league (as it would be able to go ANYWHERE in the universe... literally) vs say enhanced Warp drive, Coaxial Warp, Transwarp, or even Quantum Slipstream V2 (this one was the fastest, topping out at 10 000 Ly's per minute in the late 24th century).
Although I would have liked to see in that case the Federation moving WAY BEYOND use of dilithium and M/AM in general for power generation by the 32nd century and the more powerful alien race simply having the power of thousands of galaxies at their disposal, whereas the Federation could have had say the Milky Way, Andromeda and a few others in immediate vicinity.
I have to admit, the turbo lift thing has befuddled me since they first showed it in S2.
I honestly think (no joke) that these scenes are just the production team having fun and fucking with us at this point, because it is absolutely nonsensical the way it is depicted.
I honestly think (no joke) that these scenes are just the production team having fun and fucking with us at this point, because it is absolutely nonsensical the way it is depicted.
I have no doubt that this is part of it. Largely because so many things are taken uber seriously.
Yeah, and if that’s the case, in sort of a “fourth wall/meta” way...I think it’s pretty damn funny.
It’s almost like how everyone in PIC rails on Jean-Luc for being an arrogant ass and a pompous speech maker. It’s very much an acknowledgment of sorts of things the character has been criticized or lampooned for through the years.
I like that kind of stuff.
I suppose I should put my own nits regarding the season?
- Michael's character arc kinda vanishes in the back half of the season entirely. The beginning of the season had a lot of intelligent things to say about her character - her "responsibility hoarding" her need to break the rules, her desire to make everything about her. But after Unification III, she basically went back to Season 2 Michael in order to be a generic action hero for the final stretch.
- Adira is another case of something of an interrupted arc. They introduced her well in the third episode, did amazing work with her in Forget Me Not (easily the best episode of Discovery yet) and then...they basically spun their wheels with her for the rest of the season.
- I'd also say that the back half of the season fell into the pattern of making the secondary leads fail a bit in order to make Michael the hero, which was...not idea. Stamets was reduced to a blubbering baby. Tilly was given a level up in command (albeit unearned), fucks up, the show openly lampshades it, and doesn't redeem herself enough for it to matter. They did salvage Saru at the last moment, but they seemed to be building up something of an "incompetence arc" there as well. Look, compelling drama can be made of characters that fail, but generally you want to see them emerge out the other side stronger than they started.
- I genuinely lived Terra Firma (especially the first half) but it was way too indulgent to waste two episodes of such a short season on Georgiou's exit. The season clearly needed those episodes to flesh out the Emerald Chain or Osyraa or something. What they wanted to do here could have mostly been handled as part of an opening episode to the Section 31 series anyway.
- More generally, while I like episodic Trek, I feel this season was too episodic for what they were trying to do. It felt like a series of vignettes happening in chronological order (capped off by a three-parter) rather than a cohesive story. The thrust of the "season" kept shifting. First it was "find each other" then "find the Federation" then "find the cause of the Burn" then "defeat Osyraa." The lack of any coherent plot arc (or many coherent character arcs) is why the season felt so small-bore and Voyager-esque at times.
he didn’t say at impulse...In fact I had my own canon theory about *warp* maneuverability that promptly went out of the window once it was shown they reattach at warp.
they also have WiFi *matter* transfer...Strictly speaking there is no compelling reason any longer for nacelles -or any part of the ship!- to be attached sat any moment: after a thousand years one might expect the transporter and tractor beams to be even MORE reliable than conduits and physical structures.
a true bummer, yes.
Exactly. I was thinking about that today. The galaxy collapsed and no one was at fault. Good on the writers for going the non-clichéd route.
Another interesting thing is that anyone who might want to blame the guy who caused the burn or seek "justice" is probably dead. The world we saw is the one everyone has always known.
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As for the detached nacelles, reminds me of chargeable earbuds. The corded ones worked just fine.
Detached nacelles are a cool and unusual concept though, and good for debate.
Detached nacelles are a cool and unusual concept though, and good for debate.
I agree that her arc seems to vanish after Unification III but I think that was deliberate, and not a vanishing so much as a shifting. Though, the shift makes it more difficult for me to accept her as captain. But, her whole experience in Unification III was a massive dressing down, as the Vulcans are known to do, and then she got it from her mother too. That was the kind of shaking up that I think would bring her back to more Season 2 and something she will need to continue to work on, especially after Georgiou and Saru left. She will need other supports.
I am truly hopeful Season 4 explores this, despite my reservations.
No dumber than the variable geometry nacelles on Voyager.
100%
So you're saying nacelles attached to motorised pylons that can move up and down is dumber than magic detached nacelles that just float in space next to the ship? Behave yourself!
So you're saying nacelles attached to motorised pylons that can move up and down is dumber than magic detached nacelles that just float in space next to the ship? Behave yourself!
I really don’t see how they’re all that different. There are all kinds of technologies both real and fictional that can cause an object to stay stationary relative to another object without being attached. If I remember right in an earlier episode they imply the use of superconducting magnets, which if you haven’t seen it, youtuber NileRed has a cool video demonstrating the effect.
Its just a different configuration of a fictional technology that confers some fictional advantage.
Huh? They're attached and won't end up god knows where if power goes offline.
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