Things in Season One we never heard or saw again...

[Charlie Kelly]

Christopher said:

Stag said:
I agree, but it was a bit overdone. Besides the original crew eere supposed to have been legends and the TNG folks are on the same named ship...you expect someone to have a bit of familiarity. Especially with those cheesy gold spray painted model halfs on the wall in the observation lounge.

The idea that the TOS crew were seen as "legends" in later eras, or in their own time, is an invention of fandom, projecting their own affinities onto the fictional characters of the Trek universe. Perhaps to some extent it's also a creation of Roddenberry's TMP novelization. But there's little support for it in canon. Sure, Kirk & co. saved the Earth a couple of times, but they were just one starship crew out of dozens.

And as you mention, there were multiple other starships named Enterprise, both before and after Kirk's ship. There's no reason to assume that everyone who served on a ship named Enterprise would be an expert in the career of James T. Kirk and his crew, as opposed to Archer, April, Pike, Harriman, or Garrett, or the crews of the various oceangoing ships of that name.

I think the fact that the Enterprise crew saved the Earth as many times as they did is enough to make them legends. Unless this was something that many other vessels did as well?

Charlie

 

[Noname Given]

erastus25 said:

Christopher said:

Stag said:
I agree, but it was a bit overdone. Besides the original crew eere supposed to have been legends and the TNG folks are on the same named ship...you expect someone to have a bit of familiarity. Especially with those cheesy gold spray painted model halfs on the wall in the observation lounge.

The idea that the TOS crew were seen as "legends" in later eras, or in their own time, is an invention of fandom, projecting their own affinities onto the fictional characters of the Trek universe. Perhaps to some extent it's also a creation of Roddenberry's TMP novelization. But there's little support for it in canon. Sure, Kirk & co. saved the Earth a couple of times, but they were just one starship crew out of dozens.

And as you mention, there were multiple other starships named Enterprise, both before and after Kirk's ship. There's no reason to assume that everyone who served on a ship named Enterprise would be an expert in the career of James T. Kirk and his crew, as opposed to Archer, April, Pike, Harriman, or Garrett, or the crews of the various oceangoing ships of that name.

The legendary nature of Kirk's 5 year mission is supported by Voyager. One admiral mentions that Janeway has made "more first contacts than anyone since James Kirk" and Icheb also mentions Kirk's "historic" five year mission in an oral report on the early starfleet history.

In some panels at a science fiction con I attended in 1986 where they were talking about the impending 'Next Generation' series, all the production people stated that in Picard's time Kirk & Spock were/would be considered legends; so it wasn't something expressly started and perpetuated by 'fandom' explictly.

And one thing I forgot which DID disappear after season one were all the 'old school' models often in the background of the briefing room and crew quarters shots - like the old Galileo shuttlecraft model that often showed up. It seemed like GR at the time felt the need to practically scream "SEE! The IS Star Trek" to the audience because he obviously felt some folks watching couldn't tell it was related to teh earlier TV show.

Like someone said, with all the models of 'old' ships and shuttlecraft in the background it WAS wierd in The Naked Now that when Kirk's 'encounter; with something similar that Picard seemed practically unaware of Kirk when this was all brought up.

 

[SmoothieX]

The complete and utter load blowing awe over the holodeck. The first few times they use it they make a huge fuss over the cool 80s...er, 24th century tech.

They tone that down and it only happens later when primitive aliens see it for the first time.

 

[erastus25]

Charlie Kelly said:

Christopher said:

Stag said:
I agree, but it was a bit overdone. Besides the original crew eere supposed to have been legends and the TNG folks are on the same named ship...you expect someone to have a bit of familiarity. Especially with those cheesy gold spray painted model halfs on the wall in the observation lounge.

The idea that the TOS crew were seen as "legends" in later eras, or in their own time, is an invention of fandom, projecting their own affinities onto the fictional characters of the Trek universe. Perhaps to some extent it's also a creation of Roddenberry's TMP novelization. But there's little support for it in canon. Sure, Kirk & co. saved the Earth a couple of times, but they were just one starship crew out of dozens.

And as you mention, there were multiple other starships named Enterprise, both before and after Kirk's ship. There's no reason to assume that everyone who served on a ship named Enterprise would be an expert in the career of James T. Kirk and his crew, as opposed to Archer, April, Pike, Harriman, or Garrett, or the crews of the various oceangoing ships of that name.

I think the fact that the Enterprise crew saved the Earth as many times as they did is enough to make them legends. Unless this was something that many other vessels did as well?

Charlie

And try as we might, we can't forget that Kirk saved the entire universe plus an alternate dimension in The Alternative Factor.

Watching Hide and Q today I also noticed the little flip things on the arms of Picard's command chair. Those were gone by season 2.

 

[Tino]

Chris_Moderato said:
* Geordi's Red Suit, and his sexuality, apparently.

*lol* That's quite right. It's my favorite TNG-character and
it was sad for me that he never had any luck with women. :-(

 

[Therin of Andor]

Perhaps, after "The Naked Now", someone wrote a popular tell-all book about Kirk, or previously locked files were made public?

 

[Delta Belle]

Picard prefacing anything important with, "Now hear this" to get everybody's attention. I think the pilot was the only time we heard that.

 

[kitsune]

"Conspiracy Theory" is probably the only time The Enterprise computer displays a "bit" of sentience or at the very least annoyance with a user when it, in not these words, tells Data to shut up. Usualy the computer isn't so... "intelligent."

I believe it is the only time we see the "dustbuster" phaser. I think the first episode is the only time we see the panels in the corridors used for giving directions and, well, I could go on.

By "dustbuster", did you mean this version?

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x20/heartofglory199.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x20/heartofglory205.jpg

 

[Trekker4747]

"Conspiracy Theory" is probably the only time The Enterprise computer displays a "bit" of sentience or at the very least annoyance with a user when it, in not these words, tells Data to shut up. Usualy the computer isn't so... "intelligent."

I believe it is the only time we see the "dustbuster" phaser. I think the first episode is the only time we see the panels in the corridors used for giving directions and, well, I could go on.

By "dustbuster", did you mean this version?

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x20/heartofglory199.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x20/heartofglory205.jpg

Yeah and as I think about it we may have seen those in S2 as well and I was incorrect as there's another episode with Mrs. Troi where the ship directs her somewhere, though I believe that time without the directing tracer lights.

 

[Red Ranger]

SmoothieX said:
Picard going out of his way to speak French.

As well as Picard even trying to do ANYTHING French - he seemed to morph into a VERY British officer post season one (and I think it's VERY telling that even the producers and writers essentially gave up on the 'French' aspect of the character quite quickly after season one too).

The only other things even remotely French we saw Picard say or do were fencing, finding out his family made wine, and drinking a bottle of the Picard wine with the leader of the Malcorians in First Contact.

Frankly, I would have loved to see him quote French novelists and philosophers, like Albert Camus or Descartes, or even Alexandre Dumas. And it would have been nice to make him a French gourmet chef -- omelete du fromage, anyone?

Red Ranger

 

[Red Ranger]

One other thing that fell a bit by the wayside after Season 1 of TNG also happened after Season 1 of TOS -- guest crew members with promiment roles to play with speaking lines in the eps seemed to be seen more then than in the other seasons. -- RR

 

[kitsune]

Saucer separations became a lot more rare after season 1...

 

[Skywalker]

Trekker4747 said:
I don't know why they didn't simply change Picard's name and back-story to English ones when Stewart signed on. Otherwise it just dosen't make sense that Picard is French when he speaks with an Enlgish accent and drinks tea religously.

How does it not make sense? Even today, there's abundant immigration and cultural blending in the world. Europe is becoming a single socioeconomic community, England and France are joined by the Chunnel -- how is it remotely implausible that the cultural blending would've advanced even further by the 24th century?

In Picard's time, Europe is probably as united as the US is today. France and England would be no more separate cultures than, say, Mississippi and Pennsylvania.

I agree, but instead of relying on us to make up explanations, it would have been interesting if the writers had actually taken such a concept and really explored it. Rather than making Picard a Frenchman who has a fondness for some British customs, maybe we also could have seen him show an interest in Italian customs, or Finnish customs, etc. A true European of the "modern" era (relatively speaking), in other words.

 

[RAMA]

The complete and utter load blowing awe over the holodeck. The first few times they use it they make a huge fuss over the cool 80s...er, 24th century tech.

They tone that down and it only happens later when primitive aliens see it for the first time.

Um, you do realize that thereare no holodecks in 2009 right? A holodeck is still well beyond any technology we have today. Just checking..

RAMA

 

[cultcross]

Saucer separations became a lot more rare after season 1...

Indeed. Originally the plan was to have that as a fairly routine response to a threat situation. But then they realised it was a bit tiresome, split the action (and cast) in two, and took up too much screen time.

And in order to use the stock footage, the E-D had to separate when there was nothing else around

 

[darkwing_duck1]

The idea that the TOS crew were seen as "legends" in later eras, or in their own time, is an invention of fandom, projecting their own affinities onto the fictional characters of the Trek universe. Perhaps to some extent it's also a creation of Roddenberry's TMP novelization. But there's little support for it in canon. Sure, Kirk & co. saved the Earth a couple of times, but they were just one starship crew out of dozens.

And as you mention, there were multiple other starships named Enterprise, both before and after Kirk's ship. There's no reason to assume that everyone who served on a ship named Enterprise would be an expert in the career of James T. Kirk and his crew, as opposed to Archer, April, Pike, Harriman, or Garrett, or the crews of the various oceangoing ships of that name.

Sorry, but that is incorrect. Icheb (or one of the former Borg kids) did a thesis on Kirk as a "great captain" in Federation history in Voyager.

Then there are the reactions of the entire DS9 command staff in "Trials and Tribbleations", demonstrating the legendary status of Kirk's crew.

Even back in TNG, the early attitude of "just another crew" attitude (enforced because of GR's drug-addled brain driven feuding with Paramount), softened over time. (As in Riker's statement "Fate protects fools, little children, and ships named Enterprise.")

 

[cultcross]

Then there are the reactions of the entire DS9 command staff in "Trials and Tribbleations", demonstrating the legendary status of Kirk's crew.

This is the best and obviosuly most direct example in the canon of 24th century humans' reactions to the original TOS cast. Granted, the DS9 command crew were standign in for the writers and the fans in this epsiode, but that doesn't change the fact that this episode is canonical, as are their reactions. It's clear: Kirk (at least) is a legend in the 24th Century. The TOS Enterprise is sight-recognisable, and described as 'Kirk's ship' (not 'Pike's ship' or indeed anybody elses).

Generations supports this idea as well, woth with the opening sequence on the E-B and Picard's reactions to him.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

Watching Hide and Q today I also noticed the little flip things on the arms of Picard's command chair. Those were gone by season 2.

I noticed that, too. The flip-open panels looked more breakable than than the fixed ones, I wonder if that's why it was changed.

 

[Loqutus]

The male skirt - the skant

 

[McCoy]

Kirk was a legend in his own time. Weren't multiple Klingon captains excited about facing off with him?