So basically everything that has ever been shown on Star Trek. So you just want to see a ship flying around in space for 30minutes. Sounds fun.
Things I Do Not Want To See In A New Star Trek Series
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So basically everything that has ever been shown on Star Trek. So you just want to see a ship flying around in space for 30minutes. Sounds fun.
So then your Star Trek wouldn't be about "boldly going where no man has gone before"? Aliens of the week allow them to show us that the ship is finding new and different cultures out there.
Knight Templar
Commodore
Not what I said at all Bill.
But aliens of the week give the ship a sense of movement. If you are going to introduce a race then you have to be constantly looping back to that area of space to show them twice more.
Sometimes once is more than enough.
Actually, you kinda are saying that. Aliens of the week, result from going some place you've never been, and once you've covered them, you're pretty well done with them, especially when you find a race whose culture you didn't agree with, you wouldn't continue a relationship with them, and they wouldn't all become enemies. Also, when it comes to Alien Aliens, such as space dwelling aliens, or Intelligent cloud like entities, or the Crystalline Entity and so forth, that you can't actually talk to, you're cutting all that kinda stuff out, because those wouldn't be life forms that you would build a relationship with.
Sure there's room to make some dictates requiring follow up on some of them, but, completely ruling out Aliens of the week really strips out alot of the wonder that can be explored when "Going Where No Man Has Gone Before"
Granted, Trek has its mediocre and sucky episodes, like any series. But I don't see the connection between, say, "time-travel" and suckiness. Or "artificial intelligence" and suckiness. Or humor and suckiness. Bad time-travel episodes aren't bad because they're about time-travel. Indeed, some of the very best eps and movies are about time travel: "City on the Edge of Forever," "Tomorrow is Yesterday," "Assignment: Earth," "All Our Yesterdays," "The Voyage Home," etc.
(Says the guy who has written at least two Trek novels about time-travel.)
Ditto for artificial intelligence: "Measure of a Man" is one of the best TNG eps ever. The one with Data's daughter is a real tearjerker. And the EMH pretty much justifies Voyager's existence . . ..
Ditto for humorous eps. Yeah, Quark in drag didn't work, but "Little Green Men," "Trials and Tribble-ations," and "House of Quark" were all highly enjoyable comedies. There's no reason Trek has to take itself super-seriously all the time.
There are always going to be good eps and bad eps, but that has more to do with execution than subject matter.
Nope. That was what nearly killed Trek. It had begun to take itself too seriously. It was turning off all but hardcore Trekkies. It needed to lighten up some. While no one is suggesting that Trek becomes a comedy or parody, Star Trek XI was a reminder of how fun Trek can be, while still being an action-adventure saga.
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No they're not. Falling Skies for instance has no aliens of the week (the aliens they have now are quite enough). There aren't any other shows on TV now with aliens, unless you count The Clone Wars, and that series heavily re-uses its aliens too.
We won't get AOTWs because the wholly episodic approach will never return because the wholly episodic approach is a broadcast format, and Star Trek needs to be on cable to survive, simply for business reasons, where some degree of serialization is the norm.
Business-as-usual-Trek will NEVER be back. All the elements that were "native" to broadcast are history. That includes the episodic format and possibly also the PG-13 approach. Gimmick episodes like time-travel-reset-button and the holosuite gone awry may also be history, which is not to say there will be moratorium on time travel and holosuites, but rather that they won't be empty gimmicks.
If you want to know what Star Trek will look like in the future, The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones are the most useful templates in terms of characterization, adult content, format and tone. Maybe not quite that extreme, as a nod to Trek's PG-13 past, but more in that direction than anything we've seen before.
You keep saying this over and over but you never provide any actual proof. While CBS (Trek's owner) continues to pump out shows that are episodic in nature and they're the number one network in the United States. Star Trek seems to have survived quite well being episodic, with both DS9 and Enterprise underperforming with arc-based storytelling. And I don't need you to tell me about DS9 being ahead of it's time, because it's on the air nowhere in the United States, hasn't been for several years and when it is on no one watches it. There is something to be said for being able to come home and pop in any episode of a TV series and not being lost.
Trek will never go to premium cable or cable in general (unless it's animated) until CBS is at the point where they're milking the last little bit of life it has left, we'll also see the straight-to-DVD Trek films then as well.
But my personal opinion is that live-action televised Trek is long-gone. CBS has a seven hundred hour back catalog of episodes to sell over and over again to any market that wants Trek. We may get an animated series somewhere down the road, but I'm not holding my breath.
A-f*cking-men!
1. Don't see a problem with it, if you set it in the post-24th century timeline with the technology available, then easier time travel would be likely, hence the need for "Temporal Investigations".
2. I would do the reverse, holographic simulations would be so integrated with nanotech and ship's technology as to actually be able to allow them to effect the material world both onboard the ship and through information packets sent in communications. Foglet simulation rooms might allow the crew to simulate upcoming missions, or turn a library into battle bridge...also there would be the issue of allowing crew members to "upload" themselves into the simulations, andthat could bring about a few episode ideas!!
3. Um why? These are fundamental to future tech, it's all about the info...
4. Depends on how serialized it is.
5. If you hypothesize a cycle of stars being born into a 13-15 billion year universe where some are older and die, and even newer ones are created within stellar nurseries, and in turn these proliferate over the march of time and form the myriads of planets we are now discovering in 2012, then it is possible there may be some very old, very advanced civilizations out there. As the departed Arthur C. Clarke suggested, some of these technologies would appear to be magic or even godlike.
6. I never really liked the DS9 Ferengi episodes myself.
7. Well, in most cases yes.
RAMA
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=6218686&postcount=249
I'm sticking to this prediction and I'm very confident with it.
http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/25/orc...v-show-rules-out-some-sequel-characters-more/
This discussion also makes me confident.
RAMA
Alot of people are confident in their predictions the world will end in December 2012. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
No one has yet made a sound argument why CBS would make an investment it couldn't recoup for years? They have Paramount making a commercial every few years for their huge back catalog.
I bet Les Moonves, is more than happy to sit back and collect profits from Trek with no real monetary outlay.
Like any rerun or replication, eventually you will get errors, in this case diminishing returns! With the prospect of 3 $500 million dollar grossing movies coming to an end in half a decade, what better way to leverage it into increasing returns?
RAMA
The Mayans did not have the benefit of 4 different producers (Fuller, McFarlane, JJ Abrams-Orci, the other guy) who are known names talking about a future ST series, it would be different if there were NO interest, but that is obviously not the case....
I did make the predication before this new interest however, so it's just that I'm usually right.
Knight Templar
Commodore
#8- Nanobots- I know nanobots were never a significant thing in modern Trek as the idea hasn't seemed to have been around forever but I've read enough recent science fiction to know they are fast on their way to becoming a real deux ex machina.
Need to change your appearance? Nanobots can do that Need healed from some severe injury or disease? Nanobots can do that.
By the way, in regards to robots in Star Trek, didn't one of the early Trek producers (don't know if it was GR himself or not ) actually say something to the effect that "Star Trek doesn't do robots".
Need to change your appearance? Nanobots can do that Need healed from some severe injury or disease? Nanobots can do that.
By the way, in regards to robots in Star Trek, didn't one of the early Trek producers (don't know if it was GR himself or not ) actually say something to the effect that "Star Trek doesn't do robots".
Maybe they just meant men in clunky metal suits. Because we had androids and mechanical lifeforms in numerous eps: "Requiem for Methuselah" (Rayna and Flint's household robot), "What are Little Girls Made Of?," "The Changeling," and "Return to Tomorrow" (where they were building new robot bodies for Sargon and company).
And that's not counting all the sentient computers.
Plus, Roddenberry himself tried to launch a series about an advanced android: "The Questor Tapes."
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