They really should have found a way to get Shatner on one of the movie

[Brutal Strudel]

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Okay, you actually have a point with No. 3. No. 2 might be brilliant but it's a hotlink to nowhere.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

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Oh, and even in the comic books, there's a vast gulf between Richie Rich and Watchmen--and between Adam West and Christian Bale. (Cheap and Easy, that's me!)

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Here you go:

 

[geneo]

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If it gets repeated enough times, it becomes true!

Like Hitler said, tell a lie big enough and often enough people will think it is the truth.

 

[M'Sharak]

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Good question. From their desperation to climb, I figured it was the E needed to attain orbit to fly comfortably. However, they also were desperate not to be detected so...

I always had the impression that they were much too low to achieve a stable orbit, and that stable orbit was desirable not only to reduce the possibility of detection but also to provide sufficient time for assessing damage sustained during the "surprise time-travel" event and effecting necessary repairs.

Since every thing I'd read from the production/creative end was adamant that the Enterprise was not designed for atmospheric flight--since Matt Jeffries designed her specifically suggest she was a creature of the void

While certainly designed for traveling the void and while clearly not made for optimum performance in planetary atmospheres, it seemed apparent that E could cut low-level atmospheric flight when it was called for, even on possibly-compromised ("She's sluggish, sir") impulse engines.

SPOCK: We are too low in the atmosphere to retain this orbit, Captain. Engineering reports we have sufficient impulse power to achieve escape velocity.

http://www.voyager.cz/tos/epizody/22tomorrowisyesterdaytrans.htm

(sorry--the beautiful girl brings out the bad poet in me*), maybe I'm just projecting an assumption.

I think that can be allowed.

If it gets repeated enough times, it becomes true!

Like Hitler said, tell a lie big enough and often enough people will think it is the truth.

That you did little more than repeat in different words what Set had already said makes your post superfluous and verging on spammy. Bringing that other guy's name up in this thread serves no useful purpose whatsoever, so please: be so good as to refrain from introducing inappropriate/irrelevant Hitlers into any future discussion.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Re: They really should have found a way to get Shatner on one of the m

Shatner has been in as many Trek movies as Connery was in Bond movies. And that's not counting three seasons of TOS. That's a good long run, I think, and more than enough for anyone.

THIS.

It's way past time for everybody to accept Chris Pine as Kirk (along with Brian Goss from Star Trek Phase II).

But what if we just don't like Pine? As an actor or as his part is written? I have nothing against Pine as an actor--he strikes me as being an able enough guy--but I do have a problem with how his Kirk is based on the same "phaser in hand, green girl in the other" reductionism that plagued the TNG/VOY creative offices. As I said after seeing the first one, Pine's Kirk is a great Gary Mitchell.

We can accept new actors in an established role but we can also object if we think the new actor is wrong for the part or does a bad job with it. George Clooney is a great actor but his Batman was--thanks to his own lack of investment and the utter abortion that was everything else about the film he was in--terrible. Likewise, some people are going to prefer the mean, cold-blooded killer Bonds (Connery and Craig) to the more suave and humorous Bonds (Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan--though Brosnan, imho, could actually do cold-blooded quite nicely).

As far is Shatner is concerned, I have no desire to see him reprise Kirk. I just wish he didn't have to see his iteration of the character go out in one of the worst Trek movies.

 

[Mr_Homn]

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Likewise, some people are going to prefer the mean, cold-blooded killer Bonds (Connery and Craig) to the more suave and humorous Bonds (Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan--though Brosnan, imho, could actually do cold-blooded quite nicely).

Hey, what about Dalton? I thought he was great! Nobody gives him the credit he deserves! It's a travesty!

 

[dub]

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Somewhat off topic, but I really liked the unused bit of script with Shatner in Trek 2009. I think I shed a tear when I read it the first time.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

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Likewise, some people are going to prefer the mean, cold-blooded killer Bonds (Connery and Craig) to the more suave and humorous Bonds (Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan--though Brosnan, imho, could actually do cold-blooded quite nicely).

Hey, what about Dalton? I thought he was great! Nobody gives him the credit he deserves! It's a travesty!

I was at a loss on how to characterize Dalton--he's much more in the Connery/Craig vein, obviously.

 

[Mr_Homn]

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Likewise, some people are going to prefer the mean, cold-blooded killer Bonds (Connery and Craig) to the more suave and humorous Bonds (Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan--though Brosnan, imho, could actually do cold-blooded quite nicely).

Hey, what about Dalton? I thought he was great! Nobody gives him the credit he deserves! It's a travesty!

I was at a loss on how to characterize Dalton--he's much more in the Connery/Craig vein, obviously.

Haha it's okay. Dalton is my favorite after Connery.

 

[mendelin]

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They really should have found a way to get Shatner on one of the movie

But how?!

 

[geneo]

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Ever hear of going on a diet? Stars do it all the time. He may never look the same as back in 94 but he could look better if he went on a diet a year before shooting began.

 

[Khan 2.0]

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man shatner still looked very kirkian in Gen...in fact he didn't look that much different to TOS season 3(and to think everyone was moaning about how old they were in their last few films)

1994 Shatner needs to cameo in ST3

 

[austen_pierce]

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Do we really want 2014 Shatner? Or are we really just pining for early 1980s Kirk?

 

[OpenMaw]

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I think the time to have done it was in the 2009 film. That time has passed. As it was written in the script for Shatner to show up, would have been beautiful, and a genuine torch passing above and beyond just Nimoy on his own.


But now? Nah. It doesn't sound or feel organic at all. Anything that has been suggested is just an excuse to do the cameo, not to tell a really compelling story. I love the old cast. I always will. James T. Kirk circa the first two Trek films will always be my defining image of the character. But that time has come and gone, thirty years on, now.

Sure we have the alternate reality to play with, but that can be done just as fine without the call backs to contrast the "difference" as non fans won't know why those differences are special in the first place. It's better for the films, and indeed if a TV series follows off of the movies universe, that this new Star Trek lives on it's own. The cards have been shuffled, let's redeal them and enjoy the different results.

 

[Relayer1]

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I don't care how they do it (the holorecording idea from ST9 would've been fine) but I'd love to see him in the next movie.

 

[Khan 2.0]

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old Pine kirk(not Prime Kirk)

 

[CorporalClegg]

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Do we really want 2014 Shatner?

Hell yes. 2014 Shatner is awesome!

 

[Relayer1]

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old Pine kirk(not Prime Kirk)

No, Prime Kirk !

Better still, somehow didn't die in that crappy 'Generations' movie Kirk.

I'll get my coat...

 

[ROBE]

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Maybe Obi WanKirk ghost guide?