These are the Voyages...spoiler

[Nebusj]

Actually, if one absolutely HAD to have Riker and Troi on the show, then it would have worked better post-Nemesis. After the events of that movie, Riker and the Titan were assigned to help Romulus after Shinzon's coup. They could have written a finale something similar to what Jarod mentioned, that they find the NX-01 wreckage on Romulus and start doing research about how it got there.

For that matter, changing the setting to something just after Nemesis while not changing the rest of the story would have been fine, as then it could be about Riker and maybe Troi processing their grief at Data's ``death'' by studying Tucker's.

 

[jespah]

Actually, if one absolutely HAD to have Riker and Troi on the show, then it would have worked better post-Nemesis. After the events of that movie, Riker and the Titan were assigned to help Romulus after Shinzon's coup. They could have written a finale something similar to what Jarod mentioned, that they find the NX-01 wreckage on Romulus and start doing research about how it got there.

For that matter, changing the setting to something just after Nemesis while not changing the rest of the story would have been fine, as then it could be about Riker and maybe Troi processing their grief at Data's ``death'' by studying Tucker's.

That would've at least made contextual sense.

 

[JarodRussell]

Actually, if one absolutely HAD to have Riker and Troi on the show, then it would have worked better post-Nemesis. After the events of that movie, Riker and the Titan were assigned to help Romulus after Shinzon's coup. They could have written a finale something similar to what Jarod mentioned, that they find the NX-01 wreckage on Romulus and start doing research about how it got there.

For that matter, changing the setting to something just after Nemesis while not changing the rest of the story would have been fine, as then it could be about Riker and maybe Troi processing their grief at Data's ``death'' by studying Tucker's.

That would've at least made contextual sense.

Did anyone ever study the death of a historical figure to get over the death of a loved one? I doubt it.

 

[jespah]

They can then reveal in the end that Riker's actually a mindless, unfeeling automaton from the Planet Sheldor.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Reveal?

 

[Yanks]

So I just finished the series and as a whole I liked it for the most part, but I see that the majority of people hate the Finale with a passion so I was just curious did people hate the finale mostly because of the unwanted presence of Riker and Troi and/or they didn't like that they killed Trip? I actually enjoyed the episode especially the stuff with Shran and Archers emotional moment with Tpol near the end. I guess I'm asking if you could remove Riker and Troi from the equation would this episode still have the universal hate that it does? I'm sure this topic has been beat to death, but I just wanted to see what others thought.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=8660224&postcount=81

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Removing Riker and Troi would definitely fix it. Sure I wouldn't like a lot about it, assuming it all proceeded the same way, a lot of it like the T/T oddness would still be wtf. But it would be ENT's dumbass finale not TNG's wanky hijack. And just think we could have gotten the actual speech instead of Riker's self indulgent whining.

 

[AustNerevar]

Removing Riker and Troi would definitely fix it. Sure I wouldn't like a lot about it, assuming it all proceeded the same way, a lot of it like the T/T oddness would still be wtf. But it would be ENT's dumbass finale not TNG's wanky hijack. And just think we could have gotten the actual speech instead of Riker's self indulgent whining.

There's a finale fan edit that removes all the Riker, Troi, holodeck nonsense, but admittedly, I'd rather see the full episode than one that edited the shitty out of it.

I mean, Trip still dies, so that is unrepairable.

I much prefer the rewritten finale in the relaunch novels.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

And I prefer Demons/Terra Prime, two very good ENT eps that IMO were classically ENT. I couldn't imagine those eps in a VOY, DS9 or TNG story.

 

[Yanks]

And I prefer Demons/Terra Prime, two very good ENT eps that IMO were classically ENT. I couldn't imagine those eps in a VOY, DS9 or TNG story.

Agree. Xenophobia was schwaxked by then

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I mean the whole pathos as well.

 

[AustNerevar]

And I prefer Demons/Terra Prime, two very good ENT eps that IMO were classically ENT. I couldn't imagine those eps in a VOY, DS9 or TNG story.

I've heard it said that Demons/Terra Prime was the finale to Enterprise and TATV was the finale to all of Star Trek.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

But of course it wasn't the finale to all of Star Trek because we got more Star Trek

 

[TOSalltheway]

I must be the onlt one who saw something different. Trip was killed on the holodeck only. We do not know that this was the way it "really" happened in history. Makes it very easy to bring back a cast memeber who dies on the show.

 

[MacLeod]

Of course you then have to come up with a reason for faking his death, keeping it a secret for over 200 hundred years.

 

[Dukhat]

I must be the onlt one who saw something different. Trip was killed on the holodeck only. We do not know that this was the way it "really" happened in history. Makes it very easy to bring back a cast memeber who dies on the show.

Except that Troi specifically stated that Trip died.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I must be the onlt one who saw something different. Trip was killed on the holodeck only. We do not know that this was the way it "really" happened in history. Makes it very easy to bring back a cast memeber who dies on the show.

Except that Troi specifically stated that Trip died.

Of course she thinks that: her holo-novel told her so.

 

[Dukhat]

I must be the onlt one who saw something different. Trip was killed on the holodeck only. We do not know that this was the way it "really" happened in history. Makes it very easy to bring back a cast memeber who dies on the show.

Except that Troi specifically stated that Trip died.

Of course she thinks that: her holo-novel told her so.

I'm pretty sure she was speaking of historical events that she was already aware of.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Except that Troi specifically stated that Trip died.

Of course she thinks that: her holo-novel told her so.

I'm pretty sure she was speaking of historical events that she was already aware of.

Why? Because the adventures of Trip Tucker, second officer, were required reading for her psych degree? Normal people screw up details of events that are but a few years past, not to mention two centuries.

 

[Dukhat]

Why? Because the adventures of Trip Tucker, second officer, were required reading for her psych degree?

Unnecessary. Once she learned about Riker's program, it would have only taken her a few seconds to get the historical information about the NX-01 crew from the Enterprise's database. Hence, she would have known the fates of all the crew, including Tucker.