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These Are The Voyages - Season Three
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I just got Vol 2 yesterday and just ordered vol 3. One thing I noticed the author doesn't seem to understand how ratings work.
He keeps yammering about how well Trek did because it won its timeslot. That has no bearing on how well your show is doing. A network shows for bragging rights loves to beat the other networks shows. But you have shows every year that get cancelled who win their timeslot. And why is this? Because they still rate low for that network.
CBS has had this happen to them a lot over the last ten plus years, NBC during the 80's and 90's had this problem a lot as well.
For an example you can look at The Amazing Race, its been at or near to 1st for tis time slot for most of this season. It's future for next year is very much in question because it's relative ratings to the rest of CBS is very poor. Now it might survive, because even though its ratings are near the bottom for CBS as a show its relative cost are lower then most hour long dramas (which can cost up to 4 million an episode). TAR is expensive for a reality show, but its much cheaper then an average drama.
Without seeing the data for every show on NBC the writer is utterly foolish to judge if the shows ratings were good enough to survive. Never compare to the whole of all of tv only compare to the network you air on. Then once you look at the ratings of just your own network then you must also factor in the various costs between the shows in question.
The writer shows a complete lack of understanding on something very basic to tv.
He keeps yammering about how well Trek did because it won its timeslot. That has no bearing on how well your show is doing. A network shows for bragging rights loves to beat the other networks shows. But you have shows every year that get cancelled who win their timeslot. And why is this? Because they still rate low for that network.
CBS has had this happen to them a lot over the last ten plus years, NBC during the 80's and 90's had this problem a lot as well.
For an example you can look at The Amazing Race, its been at or near to 1st for tis time slot for most of this season. It's future for next year is very much in question because it's relative ratings to the rest of CBS is very poor. Now it might survive, because even though its ratings are near the bottom for CBS as a show its relative cost are lower then most hour long dramas (which can cost up to 4 million an episode). TAR is expensive for a reality show, but its much cheaper then an average drama.
Without seeing the data for every show on NBC the writer is utterly foolish to judge if the shows ratings were good enough to survive. Never compare to the whole of all of tv only compare to the network you air on. Then once you look at the ratings of just your own network then you must also factor in the various costs between the shows in question.
The writer shows a complete lack of understanding on something very basic to tv.
Absolutely. And, worse, his understanding of the way television ratings work is even sloppier than that, when you take a close look at it.
I wrote quite a bit about this on my blog earlier this year:
http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-truth-about-star-trek-and-ratings.html
I wrote quite a bit about this on my blog earlier this year:
http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-truth-about-star-trek-and-ratings.html
I can see how people can have issues with these books. But ive enjoyed them so far. Very entertaining. Guess he doesn't believe in spell check though. Can't wait to pick up volume 3 on next payday. Season 3 the one I been looking forward to.
QOTY runner-up?
Seems like there are personal motivations here. Not sure where this all comes from. I guess it's no surprise that someone with a "Star Trek Facts" blog, for example, would be spitting all over a work like this.
I for one have enjoyed the books thus far. Most of my Trek library is non-fiction, and the making of / history stuff is always the most interesting to me.
"Star Trek Memories" and "Movie Memories" by Shatner
"Star Trek Compendium" Asherman
"Inside Star Trek" Solow and Justman
...just to name a few.
These books are just another data point. I find them very enjoyable. If you don't like them, that's fine! But it certainly makes me doubt YOUR credibility when it becomes a personal vendetta to discredit the author. It reminds me of the people who go on attacking the Star Trek New Voayges or Star Trek Continues creative teams. Seems like a combination of jealousy and personal motives of some sort.
Just saying...
I for one have enjoyed the books thus far. Most of my Trek library is non-fiction, and the making of / history stuff is always the most interesting to me.
"Star Trek Memories" and "Movie Memories" by Shatner
"Star Trek Compendium" Asherman
"Inside Star Trek" Solow and Justman
...just to name a few.
These books are just another data point. I find them very enjoyable. If you don't like them, that's fine! But it certainly makes me doubt YOUR credibility when it becomes a personal vendetta to discredit the author. It reminds me of the people who go on attacking the Star Trek New Voayges or Star Trek Continues creative teams. Seems like a combination of jealousy and personal motives of some sort.
Just saying...
Criticizing something is not "personal."
If there were a personal dislike and THAT colored one's view of the scholarship, writing, proofing, cover, "legal console" etc, it would be "personal."
To criticizing things, especially when they merit it is not personal. Ironically it is the suggestion that it is personal, that is more "personal" imho.
If there were a personal dislike and THAT colored one's view of the scholarship, writing, proofing, cover, "legal console" etc, it would be "personal."
To criticizing things, especially when they merit it is not personal. Ironically it is the suggestion that it is personal, that is more "personal" imho.
You didn't join the board until this year, so I'm guessing you never read the threads from last year when we first learned of the book, we had shills from the publisher plugging it, and their evasion on specific questions before the books ever came out. Problems of credibility arose early before anyone ever saw it.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=219598
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=235333
Just saying...
My copy arrived yesterday, but I'm still reading "Return to Tomorrow" so Cash Markman will have to wait...
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I've found Harvey's work to be well researched and very little of him trying to interpret intent. Plus, he's doing it for free. Which is very generous on his part and shows that it is truly a labor of love. He loves Star Trek and wants there to be a factual record of its creation.
I would gladly pay for a TOS behind-the-scenes book authored by him.
Marc Cushman has quietly revised the season one book. I don't know all of the changes, but one has been discovered, since it relates to a conversation I had last year with him about fan art appearing in his book. There is uncredited art in the book from TrekBBS member "The Lensman". I showed Cushman all of the facts about this image, as I don't think it belongs in a serious history of the original Star Trek (with no disrespect intended towards the art or artist). Cushman gave the oddest reply, going so far as to call the image "a hoax".
The new version of the book updates the caption to let the reader decide whether the image is legit or not. Images of the original caption, the conversation about it (it was a public discussion on facebook) and the revised caption can all be seen in my album here. https://plus.google.com/+NeilBulk/posts/FLww8gijKcw
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The new version of the book updates the caption to let the reader decide whether the image is legit or not. Images of the original caption, the conversation about it (it was a public discussion on facebook) and the revised caption can all be seen in my album here. https://plus.google.com/+NeilBulk/posts/FLww8gijKcw
Neil
He just can't own up to the fact that he fucked up including it in the first place. "You decide"? What is this, Fox News?
That whole side issue was just bizarre.
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Further proof that yes, Virginia, Marc Cushman is a hack.
Better caption: "I can't figure out what this, even though a little research would answer the question decisively. So I'll just print a picture of it here anyway."
Books that are print-on-demand as I believe his to be, are easy to alter. You just make a change in the file, re-upload, and all new copies have the changes. Not stuck with a warehouse (or the proverbial garage) full of an earlier edition.
I hate to say this, but someone might enjoy looking for other changes.
Books that are print-on-demand as I believe his to be, are easy to alter. You just make a change in the file, re-upload, and all new copies have the changes. Not stuck with a warehouse (or the proverbial garage) full of an earlier edition.
I hate to say this, but someone might enjoy looking for other changes.
As a bboard full of long-time fans, we have a gathering of expertise that is very powerful, and we tap each other for knowledge all the time. For instance, I once briefly mistook this for a real album:
It's a fan mockup, and a couple of you guys told me so. At other times, I've been the one who knew a particular thing.
What the Arena "book" incident shows is that Cushman did not grow up hunting down every Star Trek book he could find (no Bantam title was obscure), and he is apparently not an engaged, interacting member of the fan community, bouncing his internet finds off our collective savvy.
But his These Are The Voyages books still have value despite their errors. Let's not forget that Ralph Senensky raved about the chapter on "Metamorphosis."
It's a fan mockup, and a couple of you guys told me so. At other times, I've been the one who knew a particular thing.
What the Arena "book" incident shows is that Cushman did not grow up hunting down every Star Trek book he could find (no Bantam title was obscure), and he is apparently not an engaged, interacting member of the fan community, bouncing his internet finds off our collective savvy.
But his These Are The Voyages books still have value despite their errors. Let's not forget that Ralph Senensky raved about the chapter on "Metamorphosis."
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