^^ Nope for me. Setting aside that Riker was interacting with people who were behaving completely out of character and spouting nonsense (boat engines, gaaah), that kiss on the cheek to T'Pol was Hammer Horror creep level. 
"These Are the Voyages" as a 'true' series finale
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I'd forgotten about that. *shudder*
But that was my point. Riker should not have been interacting with the crew at all. But because he was, the episode became about him, not about the crew.
Nice idea!! Much better than we got.
^^ Nope for me. Setting aside that Riker was interacting with people who were behaving completely out of character and spouting nonsense (boat engines, gaaah), that kiss on the cheek to T'Pol was Hammer Horror creep level.
I liked all the interactions with Riker as Chef and the crew.
Did you find “The Menagerie” to be boring?
I for one loved 'The Menagerie', one of my favorites in fact.
If done right I can see the observation angle working out. Yes, there are some pitfalls if done wrongly, but I think it could work.
I find "The Menagerie" to be a somewhat clever way of making use of "The Cage". The parts filmed exclusively for the episode are decent enough, but the idea of watching a tv episode of people watching tv is amusingly meta but not very compelling to me as a concept.
That’s cool. Just going by the “how would you use the TNG cast in ENT” idea, my opinion is to use them as minimally as possible, so that they don’t overshadow the people that the episode should be focused on. The best way I could think to do that was for them to just be unobtrusive observers of a past historical event.
I feel a two-parter would have helped with any focus concerns by giving everyone more space to work with. But short of a time travel episode I don't really know how introducing TNG folks into ENT could work without focus concerns, and passive observation just sounds so...passive. 
Out of mere curiosity and nothing more or less... was there anyone who actually liked this episode? I'm only asking because this episode aired on H&I not too long ago and I'm well aware of the widespread hate this episode has been on the receiving end of over the years, from fans and even the cast and producers themselves! I remember Johnathan Frakes himself said he didn't like this episode
I, personally, neither liked or disliked this episode, so I'm indifferent. If I dislike this episode for any reason it's because this episode, due to the subject matter, works better as a mid-series episode rather than a series finale, or even a season finale! This also would've been better if this episode devoted less to it being a TNG tribute. I'm a big TNG fan saying this but still, my thing is, if i wanted to watch TNG i would simply do so. I mean, it is cool and all seeing actors and characters making guest appearances from and to other Trek shows, but i don't feel this was done very well, and feel like this episode was an insult to fans of both ENT and TNG.
Lastly, I really did like that scene with the alien holding a weapon at Trip, who was eventually able to blow him and his henchmen away with the plasma discharge of that severed conduit, declaring "You all can go straight to Hell." I FREAKING LOVE THAT SCENE!
I, personally, neither liked or disliked this episode, so I'm indifferent. If I dislike this episode for any reason it's because this episode, due to the subject matter, works better as a mid-series episode rather than a series finale, or even a season finale! This also would've been better if this episode devoted less to it being a TNG tribute. I'm a big TNG fan saying this but still, my thing is, if i wanted to watch TNG i would simply do so. I mean, it is cool and all seeing actors and characters making guest appearances from and to other Trek shows, but i don't feel this was done very well, and feel like this episode was an insult to fans of both ENT and TNG.
Lastly, I really did like that scene with the alien holding a weapon at Trip, who was eventually able to blow him and his henchmen away with the plasma discharge of that severed conduit, declaring "You all can go straight to Hell." I FREAKING LOVE THAT SCENE!
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I caught this episode again not too long ago - as underwhelming and baffling as I remembered it. Less of a valentine and more of a middle finger. Conceptually, it's a neat idea, but the execution was a mess. I think if the episode hadn't been the series finale and had dealt with an interesting NX-01 story midway thru their mission, it could've been a lot of fun.
And for extra pettiness: Riker's hair particularly annoyed me.
And for extra pettiness: Riker's hair particularly annoyed me.
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I never estimated myself as someone who can be an unforgiving person, until I watched the TATV (and read following novels) .
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Not this shit again
It's a stinker
It's a stinker
Troi's horrible-looking hair and new uniform did this to me... and don't even get me started on how the production designers were too lazy to at least make the Enterprise-E turbolift look somewhat more like the Enterprise-D turbolift!
If they were going to do this, they should've set this post Nemesis
Ha-ha. True. I think I remember one of the moderators, I forget which, noting how many threads there are on this episode, but since it was so rightfully hated that it deserved it, or something to that effect
I didn't like it when I first saw it. I have never hated any Star Trek episode or movie, including being one of the 10 people...never mind. But this one really tested me. "Threshold" as bad as that is on many levels, was still better than this. But I'm reluctant to say I hate it. One of the threads I started copied above was my question about whether there was anything salvageable from this episode if it came at the end of a full 7 year run following the Romulan War. But the consensus seemed to be, well no. Other than maybe little bits here and there.
What helped me bear with it these days was the subsequent novels that sort of retconned, or at least made sense of much of this episode. I can watch it now in that vein, thinking of the novels and thinking not everything is at it seams. I guess you can say I differ from sekundant on that. While Trip joining Section 31 was a stretch, it was the only way to retcon this episode in a way that made sense and not actually contradict this episode. And in the later novels it was Trip who decided to help put Section 31 in stasis. Him being on the inside and having a strong ethos that conflicted with the goals of Section 31 made him a good character to do that.
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