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The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

The Emma in Origins: Wolverine IS NOT and NEVER WAS Emma Frost; she's simply a mutant with the ability, like Emma Frost, to harden her skin into a diamond-like form.

This was pretty obvious in 2009 (since she's the younger sister of a woman whose last name is SILVERFOX), and made even MORE obvious with First Class.
 
So in the opening of Origins: Wolverine, Logan was at the famous Normandy Landings. Then, as shown in The Wolverine, he ended up in the Pacific Theater and in a Japanese POW camp, at exactly the right time and place to be barbecued by Fat Man.

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So in the opening of Origins: Wolverine, Logan was at the famous Normandy Landings. Then, as shown in The Wolverine, he ended up in the Pacific Theater and in a Japanese POW camp, at exactly the right time and place to be barbecued by Fat Man.
Don't see the issue there, really. I'm no WWII history buff, but wouldn't it make sense for a lot of personnel who fought in the European theatre to be transferred to the Pacific once the war was ended in the former? And Logan in particular seems like a "stay on the front lines" type of guy.
 
But it did happen. I don't know if this actually happened with any of the real Easy Company personnel, but I recall in Band of Brothers that at least one of the major characters said he was going out to the Pacific Theater after the Germans surrendered.
 
But it did happen. I don't know if this actually happened with any of the real Easy Company personnel, but I recall in Band of Brothers that at least one of the major characters said he was going out to the Pacific Theater after the Germans surrendered.
Yeah, but none of them actually went because of the nuclear bombardments. They were being prepped for a potential invasion of mainland Japan.

Based on the unit decal on Logan's helmet in the Origins opening, he was a member of the Army's 29th Infantry Division on D-Day. After V-E Day the 29th remained in occupation at Bremen through the end of 1945, and never went to Japan.
 
Yeah, but none of them actually went because of the nuclear bombardments. They were being prepped for a potential invasion of mainland Japan.
Maybe Logan was on covert assignment helping to lay the groundwork for that very planned invasion when he was captured?

Based on the unit decal on Logan's helmet in the Origins opening, he was a member of the Army's 29th Infantry Division on D-Day. After V-E Day the 29th remained in occupation at Bremen through the end of 1945, and never went to Japan.
So why couldn't he have been transferred to another outfit?
 
Solo X-Men films we SHOULD get instead of a Mystique movie.

Jean Grey: With Famke and Sophie

Dazzler

Domino

Boom Boom

Storm

Scarlet Witch

JUBILATION LEE


ROGUE DONE RIGHT

Kitty Pryde with Ellen Paige

Moonstar: NEW MUTANTS

Aurora: ALPHA FLIGHT



Dump JLaw and chuck Mystique in the gutter.
 
Nah, after such intense grueling warfare those who weren't sent home after Europe stayed to help rebuild. There was only a couple months (May 7 to August 15) between the war ending in each theatre. As an infantryman it's incredibly unlikely that Logan would've been both at the Normandy landings and a Japanese POW when Hiroshima was hit.

ETA: It's *possible,* sure... but a better (very minor) bit suggesting that Origins was overwritten.
 
Maybe Logan was on covert assignment helping to lay the groundwork for that very planned invasion when he was captured?


So why couldn't he have been transferred to another outfit?
Honestly, knowing Logan (or James as he was called back then) I could see him deserting his unit after the fighting stopped in Europe and heading over to Japan for more action. Maybe by way of Madripoor, assuming Fox owns the rights to that location.
 
Three different actresses for Kitty, certainly, but hair color aside, isn't it all the same version of Kitty continuity-wise?

Possibly. The point is, it's not a character they developed with any foresight. Her initial appearances were just meant to be cameos with no thought that they might expand the role later. And it's not the only time they did this. Indeed, one could probably cite a good dozen instances across the various films.

To paraphrase one Dr. Leonard McCoy ( son of David ):

It's really not dead... as long as this timeline's Xavier remembers it.

Did DoFP actually use any 'Origins' footage in that flashback? I'm pretty sure it was all just recycled from the X1 & X2 flashes, but I've never exactly gone frame by frame to check.

Actually, it was extremely rare for a soldier to fight in two different theaters. However, Wolverine appears in 87 comics a month and is a master of multi-tasking. Two different theaters of war is nothing.

I'm more curious how two identical looking people called "Wade Wilson" managed to exist thirty plus years apart despite barely ageing. ;)

Seriously though, there's really no point in trying to hold onto Origins, especially since the filmakers don't seem interested in doing so.


Oh and anyone that still thinks that character in 'Origins' called "Emma" who turned to diamond was meant to be a totally different character called "Emma" that turned to diamond: Tell her that. ;)
 
Nah, after such intense grueling warfare those who weren't sent home after Europe stayed to help rebuild. There was only a couple months (May 7 to August 15) between the war ending in each theatre. As an infantryman it's incredibly unlikely that Logan would've been both at the Normandy landings and a Japanese POW when Hiroshima was hit.

ETA: It's *possible,* sure... but a better (very minor) bit suggesting that Origins was overwritten.
No matter how intense, it wouldn't be all that "grueling" to him. And staying to help rebuild doesn't sound like his style, really. I can believe that he'd request to be kept on the front lines and that such a request would be granted, given his fighting skills and prowess. (I could also believe he might be quite persuasive if there were any resistance, and like @Skywalker I could even see him disregarding orders to go on his own initiative! And heck, for all we know it could have been Victor who deserted and his brother followed him, too.) Also, a minor and immaterial point overall I know, but it was Nagasaki rather than Hiroshima.

Now, while I don't find this particular "issue" to be a good example of a contradiction between Origins and other films, it does indeed seem obvious to me that we had some "soft rebooting" and retconning going on with these films well before Days Of Future Past came along, beginning with Origins...

See, here's the problem that I have with that: If the bulk of X-Men Origins: Wolverine takes place in 1979, then that means that X-Men is set in 1994! Hardly the "not too distant future" of a movie released in 2000. The dialogue in both X-Men & X2 is very consistent in stating that Wolverine's amnesia dates back 15 years.
It was also specifically stated by Xavier in the first film that that he was 17 when he initially met Erik. It doesn't seem to me that he's meant to be so young in First Class when their first meeting is shown. It was furthermore implied by Stryker in United that Wolverine didn't have claws before he gave them to him. I think you just have to "squint" on details like that from the first trilogy of films.

I find that the continuity flows much better if you basically disregard Origins: Wolverine.
Doesn't get you around the above, not to mention a lot of other things like Xavier's being crippled in 1962, whereas he was walking around in the 80s in The Last Stand. (I know Future Past sought to paper this over a bit with the serum that let him walk while suppressing his powers, but it still doesn't really fit since he clearly HAS his powers in his ambulatory scenes in both Origins and Last Stand. On the other hand, they did also show in the DOFP airport scene that he is capable of projecting an image of himself upright while in reality being wheelchair bound, so that helps...but then you still have to assume something different from what was intended in X3 and Origins, that Xavier wasn't actually physically present for those scenes and it was merely a projection. It would seem the serum was also intended to explain Hank's human appearance in X2, but then why would he be so amazed at and tempted by the boy's power to suppress his beastly appearance in Last Stand?) Then you have the whole situation with characters such as Moira and others, which no doubt been have been brought up already in this thread.

I mean, this stuff doesn't really bother me, and I don't think there's much point in nitpicking it all, but it's pretty evident that the continuity got tweaked at multiple points as things went along. And that's fine.

Did DoFP actually use any 'Origins' footage in that flashback? I'm pretty sure it was all just recycled from the X1 & X2 flashes, but I've never exactly gone frame by frame to check.
Yes. The part where Victor breaks his bone claws is in there.
 
So many people in the X-Men movies with similar names and fashion senses.

Like the Jubilee we saw in X1, sitting with X1 version of Kitty Pryde.

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Also the Jubilee from X2, who like the one in X:A was also had her scenes of using her powers cut from the movie.
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Also two Psylockes in different eras.

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Also two Toads, two Wade Wilsons, two Emma Frosts, 4 Storms, all from different eras. Continuity? FOX says "f*ck it". Hahaha

Seriously though, it's best to just ignore XMO. Even Lauren Shuler-Donner stated the two Emma Frosts have nothing to do with one another back in 2011, prior to XFC coming out.
 
Did DoFP actually use any 'Origins' footage in that flashback? I'm pretty sure it was all just recycled from the X1 & X2 flashes, but I've never exactly gone frame by frame to check.

Not only were scenes from all previous movies used, but they were all cited in the end credits as a result.

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Even Lauren Shuler-Donner stated the two Emma Frosts have nothing to do with one another back in 2011, prior to XFC coming out.

Wouldn't "Kayla's sister is not Emma Frost" be a better way to put that? Or even "Origins didn't happen so clearly it has nothing to do with anything. Why are we even talking about this?"

Seriously though, there's really no point in trying to hold onto Origins, especially since the filmakers don't seem interested in doing so.

For some reason, they held onto the bone claws; they held onto Kayla and to Wolverine's war history in The Wolverine; they used a scene from Origins in DOFP; they called Logan "Jimmy" in DOFP.

For a franchise allegedly committed to the non-canonicity of Origins, it sure seems to have a hard time letting go.
 
^I'm pretty sure the bone claws and Logan's first name being "James" both originate from the comics source material, not the Origins movie in and of itself.
Also, retaining character traits is one thing, retaining plot details and continuity is something else altogether.
 
It is only a portion of the fandom that has this desire to see Days of Future Past as having discarded and disregarded all of the previously-released films in the franchise; the filmmakers have repeatedly demonstrated that they have no such desire themselves, and continue to be committed to the franchise as it has been established thus far, even when parts of the fandom seem to go out of its way to find problems with the way that they have established things narratively (even, and especially, when said problems aren't nearly as egregious, in reality, as they've been made out to be in the minds of certain parts of the fandom).
 
Also two Psylockes in different eras.

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I just noticed that we have a white Psylocke in the '80s and an Asian Psylocke in the '00s, so maybe the body swap from the comics, which took her from a white body to the body of Asian woman known as Kwannon, happened and the "Psylocke" in TLS is post body swap Psylocke in Kwannon's body.

So am I the only person who actually like J-Law's Mystique?
 
It is only a portion of the fandom that has this desire to see Days of Future Past as having discarded and disregarded all of the previously-released films in the franchise; the filmmakers have repeatedly demonstrated that they have no such desire themselves, and continue to be committed to the franchise as it has been established thus far

This is what Singer has to say:

I mean anything, anyone could die.

Any possibility could occur,
but characters are still moving towards their immutable place. Jean and Scott, are they meant to be together?

Is Scott, this guy who hates schools and hates authority, destined to become a leader? You don’t know.

Is Jean ever going to discover the full potential of her power? You don’t know,

but we move in those directions character-wise but then we have the freedom story-wise to do whatever the fuck we want because we erased those three movies.”

“I’ll kill any of those characters any day I want. They’re all fair game. Anything can happen.

http://collider.com/x-men-apocalypse-new-timeline-explained-bryan-singer/
 
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I was sitting here thinking about some of the stuff I have read about X-Men Apocalypse since it came out, and it occurred to me that the film may have retroactively provided Canonical reconciliation for something that people have taken to be a discrepancy between First Class and The Last Stand.

Apparently, Moira mentions in Apocalypse that she has an unnamed son. Since she still has her maiden name in Apocalypse, it seems pretty obvious that she had said son out-of-wedlock and, provided that she didn't give him up for adoption, he would therefore carry on her name and pass it on to HIS wife and children were he to marry, and if one of said children were to be a girl whom he named Moira after his mother, she would ALSO be Moira MacTaggert.

Assuming that the birth of her son happened in both the original timeline and the new timeline (and we have no reason not to), the Moira MacTaggert we meet in The Last Stand could easily be considered to be her granddaughter and namesake.

@JoeZhang Both Singer and Simon Kinberg have also said that X-Men Apocalypse serves as the conclusion to the First Class Trilogy (the first two films of which are unequivocally connected to the original X-Men Trilogy), as well as a "culmination of SIX movies", so Singer saying that they 'erased the first trilogy' clearly doesn't mean what people think it does.
 
I just noticed that we have a white Psylocke in the '80s and an Asian Psylocke in the '00s, so maybe the body swap from the comics, which took her from a white body to the body of Asian woman known as Kwannon, happened and the "Psylocke" in TLS is post body swap Psylocke in Kwannon's body.

FWIW, Olivia Munn is half-Vietnamese.
 
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