The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)
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If Civil War should teach the other studios anything it's that for the audience to care that a team is being torn apart or that two heroes are fighting or that a character is having a breakdown, they need to know and care about those characters first. Civil War couldn't have happened any sooner than it did. It took...*counts*...bloody hell! TWELVE movies for them to get to this point. (OK, Guardians isn't really required, but I'm counting it anyway.) Point is, they earned that conflict.
X3 had something of that, but they completely fumbled it, squandering all the good will they'd built up. Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X and Mystique were just knocking off or disposed of, purely for shock value and yet it still felt just off-handed and cheep, to say nothing of tonally inconsistent.
X3 had something of that, but they completely fumbled it, squandering all the good will they'd built up. Cyclops, Rogue, Professor X and Mystique were just knocking off or disposed of, purely for shock value and yet it still felt just off-handed and cheep, to say nothing of tonally inconsistent.
Even less than that. Only the three Iron Man films, the two Captain America films, and the two Avengers films are needed. Thor and Hulk aren't in Civil War and Ant-Man isn't necessary either. Nonetheless, you're absolutely right that Marvel worked up to making Civil War mean something, a point that DCU failed at.
If you're going for bare minimum sure, you could even probably get by with a lot less. Two movies each for Iron Man and Cap plus the one Avengers movie would do just fine.
The point is that everything that came before this came into play in one way or another, directly or indirectly, even with the absence of Thor and Banner.
For example, the scene where...
Stark recruits Peter Parker has extra resonance because we know he's lost his science buddy. On some level, Peter reminds him of Bruce. Also lines like "we could use a Hulk right about now" "you think he'd be on our side?" wouldn't have nearly as much resonance if Bruce's relationship to both Stark and Romanov wasn't established.
That may happen now. It sounds like Hugh Jackman means it when he says that Wolverine 3 will be his final film and I don't think that Singer & co. would be particularly comfortable recasting the role so soon. My guess: Wolverine won't be recast until they completely reboot the X-Men movie universe, which hopefully won't be for a while yet. At minimum, I think that they would wait a few films to let us forget Jackman before reintroducing the character.
^Rumour has it that the notion is to introduce X-23 to replace Wolverine in the X-movies. At least until Jackman gets sick of his driveway being blocked from all the dumpster trucks full of money they keep sending to his house. No clue if it's been substantiated by anyone credible, but it would make sense. I just hope they cast it well and treat the character with some integrity and not as eye candy with claws. Her history in the comics has certainly been mixed in that regard.
One thing that has changed my perception of X3 is that it is no longer the end of the story for those characters. To my fanboy mind, the movie had a lot riding on it because it was supposed to the conclusion. The last time that we were going to see those characters and their storyline going forward. It needed to be... well, better than it was. Think "All Good Things" vs "These Are The Voyages..."
But then, Days of Future Past came out and proved to be a much more satisfying capstone for those characters and a much better conclusion to their story. X3 is now nothing more than a bump in the road. You can forgive a The Final Frontier if you follow it up with a The Undiscovered Country.
But then, Days of Future Past came out and proved to be a much more satisfying capstone for those characters and a much better conclusion to their story. X3 is now nothing more than a bump in the road. You can forgive a The Final Frontier if you follow it up with a The Undiscovered Country.
Might we see "The Death Of Wolverine," perhaps?
I haven't seen the movie myself, but I think I did see someone in the review thread say that
the post-credits scene in Apocalypse possibly sets up X-23.
I just rewatched the films and Wolverine doesn't have the jacket that you're referring to in either 1962 or 1973. But the weird thing is, after getting the jacket in the 1980s, he leaves it behind in Gambit's plane. So how does he have it again in the first movie?
Hmm. The jacket he wears in First Class and the 1973 parts of DoFP certainly looks identical to the jacket he gets in Origins: Wolverine, at least to me.
As far as I know, yes (but then, since I'm apparently unable to pick out differences between his Origins: Wolverine jacket and the jacket he wears in First Class and the 1973 parts of DoFP, you probably shouldn't take my word on that).
And there's a very strong possibility that Sinister could end up being a Thanos-style 'cog' in the future progression of the X-verse going forward across mutliple movies.
In 1962, he's not even wearing a jacket. He may have one on his chair behind him but you can't really see it at all. In 1973 his jacket is clearly totally different. It's a lighter shade of brown and doesn't have the stripes on the sleeve.
^ Okay. In that case [Genie voice]"Boy do I feel sheepish.[/Genie voice]
One of the interesting things is that, although the time travel in X-Men: Days of Future Past has changed a lot of things, there are other things that happened in the new timeline that seemed to have happened in the original timeline too but in an undoubtedly different way. But it raises the question of how these things happened in the original timeline if Wolverine wasn't around the spur the change.
Like, in the original timeline, how did Magneto originally escape from his concrete prison underneath the Pentagon? In the new timeline, he was rescued by Wolverine, Professor Xavier, Beast, & Quicksilver. But in the original timeline, Wolverine & Quicksilver didn't even know that Magneto was there and Professor Xavier & Beast seemed content to let him rot in there forever.
Also, in the original timeline, what was it that brought Professor Xavier out of his apathetic, drug-induced stupor in which Wolverine originally found him in 1973?
It also extends to the new movie:
Like, in the original timeline, how did Magneto originally escape from his concrete prison underneath the Pentagon? In the new timeline, he was rescued by Wolverine, Professor Xavier, Beast, & Quicksilver. But in the original timeline, Wolverine & Quicksilver didn't even know that Magneto was there and Professor Xavier & Beast seemed content to let him rot in there forever.
Also, in the original timeline, what was it that brought Professor Xavier out of his apathetic, drug-induced stupor in which Wolverine originally found him in 1973?
It also extends to the new movie:
In the new movie, we see Professor Xavier lose his hair during the procedure where Apocalypse tries to transfer his consciousness into Xavier's body. Presumably this never happened in the original timeline. In the original timeline, it's implied that Apocalypse never awoke and that the world didn't learn of the existence of mutants until much later. But since, in the new timeline, mutants were revealed to the world in 1973, there were all these new mutant-worshiping cults that sprang up all over the world, which is how Moira & those other guys found Apocalypse buried in Egypt. So, without Apocalypse, how did Xavier lose his hair in the original timeline? (Perhaps, in the original timeline, without Wolverine's intervention in 1973, Xavier slipped deeper & deeper into drug use and that's what caused his baldness!)
Also, in both timelines, Logan becomes part of the Weapon X program. But the years don't quite line-up. X-Men: Apocalypse is set in 1983 while I estimate X-Men Origins: Wolverine to be set sometime around 1985 at the earliest. Furthermore, the previous timeline established that Logan had to volunteer for the Weapon X program because anesthesia doesn't work on him. But in the previous timeline, he only volunteered because he thought that Victor Creed murdered Kayla and getting the adamantium upgrade was the only way that he would be strong enough to avenge her. Did that still happen this time, only sooner? And what about Weapon XI? In the original timeline, Weapon X was just a test to see if Logan could survive the procedure before performing it on Weapon XI. Is that still the case in the new timeline? And if so, was Weapon XI still Wade Wilson or was it someone else? (It makes sense that we wouldn't see Weapon XI in this movie, since, in the original timeline, they were kept at different sites. Weapon X was at Alkali Lake while Weapon XI was at Three Mile Island.)
Also, in both timelines, Logan becomes part of the Weapon X program. But the years don't quite line-up. X-Men: Apocalypse is set in 1983 while I estimate X-Men Origins: Wolverine to be set sometime around 1985 at the earliest. Furthermore, the previous timeline established that Logan had to volunteer for the Weapon X program because anesthesia doesn't work on him. But in the previous timeline, he only volunteered because he thought that Victor Creed murdered Kayla and getting the adamantium upgrade was the only way that he would be strong enough to avenge her. Did that still happen this time, only sooner? And what about Weapon XI? In the original timeline, Weapon X was just a test to see if Logan could survive the procedure before performing it on Weapon XI. Is that still the case in the new timeline? And if so, was Weapon XI still Wade Wilson or was it someone else? (It makes sense that we wouldn't see Weapon XI in this movie, since, in the original timeline, they were kept at different sites. Weapon X was at Alkali Lake while Weapon XI was at Three Mile Island.)
My hypothesis regarding how things played themselves out in the original timeline is that Xavier eventually snapped out of his depression and rescued Erik himself after learning the truth about what had really happened back in 1963. I also think he may have tried to rescue Raven, only to be rebuffed because she was so psychologically damaged and embittered by years of imprisonment.
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