The X-Files - First Time Watching

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by tomalak301, Dec 14, 2013.

  1. Marsden

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    As basic background information, Season 5 was the last season filmed in Canada, they moved to California for season 6 on.
    Also, season 5 and The End were supposed to be the end, then they were just going to make movies. Of course they brought it back, but I think what you're seeing is a result of those things in real life filtering through.

    Not to spoil anything, but that's not the only "last season" either.

    BTW, I just finished season 9 yesterday, so I've been keeping quiet for a bit.


    But now that you've seen the Movie, I want to say, the Series helps the movie, a lot, but the movie really doesn't help the series much at all. Also, with Rick Millikan growing a chestburster in the first scene, that really kind of makes the movie unnecessary, as that was the "Black Oil's" dreaded new superpower.

    Also about the movie, I don't have too much to complain about, but I do have one big complaint, why did they sneak the bodies into a federal building to blow it up to cover up the bodies? What about burying them in a hole in Nevada, burning them in an incinerator, freezing them in Alaska, or about 15 other things they could have done to cover it up better than calling everyones attention to it by blowing up a building?


    To sum it up so far, first four seasons were a show that's pretty consistent, season 5 seemed like they were trying to go out with a bunch of highlights and weren't as worried about consistnecy, with 2 flashback episodes out of a 20 episode season, plus the other style episodes, like post modern prometheus. I mean, it's very popular, but did it even happen? Or was it a story in that guy's comic book? There's a history that a character goes through that when you see a subsequent adventure, you know that they've experienced it. Like in Tooms when it refers to Squeeze. So, can they refer back to what happened in Post Modern Prometheus, or was it a "pretend story"? That's my biggest complaint with it. It's not bad, and really well acted, but not one of my favorites.

    Another strange thing, but this is a personal observation of memory more that the show itself, I started with the pilot, didn't recognize too much of the 1st half of the 1st season, but then I started remembering seeing the episodes last half and consistently through 2 and 3 and first part of the fourth season, I read that right about the time my memory faulters is when it moved from Fridays to Sunday. In my mind, I remember watching X-Files every week, but I guess that's wrong, because most of season four was all new to me after the first 5 or so. And I only remembered 2 episodes of Season 5. All the rest were completely new to me. Funny, the 2 I remember were the 3rd episode, "Unusual Suspects" with the start of the Lone Gunmen, and the 2nd to last one with the Monster that runs the telemarketing company. I don't understand it, but there it is. I'm happy I've gotten to see them all, now.
     
  2. tomalak301

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    Maybe this is coming up and the things will start to connect, but I still don't entirely understand the Black Oil's purpose. Originally it was supposed to take over the host body, or at least that's what we saw happen to Krychek in the Silo. Now it's a Virus that incubates an alien in the host, a la Alien? It seemed like that black stuff changed concepts in about 3 seasons and a movie. I read that this was one of the more popular "alien" concepts in the show so maybe I'm missing something, but how did it go from taking over the host, to black cancer, and then to Alien chest bursting virus?
     
  3. wulfio

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    My guess is either focus groups, or producers saying "durr, lets make something really cool and scary"
     
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    Or from CC not having a show bible :lol:. The whole mythology is f-d up :guffaw:. Not the easiest to keep track of.
     
  5. RoJoHen

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    The Black Oil isn't entirely consistent, but I think you can make it work if you apply some imagination.

    The Black Oil we see early on is intelligent and knows what it's doing. It's working with Smoking Man and his allies (who also happen to be the alien colonists) to achieve a goal.

    The Black Oil found in Texas is wild. It's been lying dormant for thousands of years, so as soon as it infects a host, it starts to take over. It instinctually gestates into an alien lifeform.

    The Syndicate has made a deal with the alien colonists to allow the Black Oil to infect humanity (we learn this in the movie from What's-His-Face who blows himself up in the car). The Black Oil was merely intended to turn humanity into a slave race (a la Krycek). He even says, "Imagine our surprise when it began to gestate."

    The wild Black Oil in Texas didn't know it wasn't supposed to gestate yet.

    Meanwhile, behind the backs of the Alien Colonists, the Syndicate has been working on a vaccine against the Black Oil so that humanity would have a defense once colonization begins, which is how Mulder was able to save Scully in Antarctica.
     
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    i thought they were collaborators?

    and how do I put in the spoiler thing
     
  7. tomalak301

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    The Rain King

    X-Files in season 6 is weird. The episodes are more light hearted, Scully's reactions to everything are like figurative eyerolls, and Mulder seems more ego-centric than ever. The thing is though I think it's working and The Rain King is an example of that.

    This episode was surprisingly cute. Herman was a great character and I really felt happy for him at the end. It seemed like this episode the Monster of the Week was someone you would want to like, maybe because his socially ineptness does hit a little close to home. Sheila was also a great character and the two of them together at the end was cute.

    I can understand why this episode might not be liked though, as it doesn't feel like The X Files. Still watching Season 6 close together, it feels like season 6 of have X Files and I'm starting to accept that.

    Rojo,

    Thanks for the explanation. I thought the Black Oil was pretty much the same, but your explaination does make sense. Also, I think Wolfio is right. They were collaborators, not allies.
     
  8. tomalak301

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    Two Fathers/One Son

    Wow talk about getting all the answers. This episode felt like two things to me: 1) The Culmination of 5 and a half seasons of frustrating mythology, and 2) the series finale to this show. I think I remember when these two episodes were promoted, how they promised to provide all the answers and how these two episodes were going to be huge. Sweeps feels like a thing of the past in today's TV climate, but these felt like Sweep episodes.

    I appreciated seeing Cassandra again, and man did Cartwright do a great job in the role. Her character really did end up really important and in the two episodes we saw her, we got so much meat about her character. These episodes explained her in a way that wraps up the syndicate arc, how they collaborated with the colonists to delay colonization and how the black oil was involved. How the syndicate ended was well done, even though it would have been nice to actually watch them burn. Maybe that would be too graphic for TV, but it didn't stop all the other scenes were we see burning corpses.

    If there was one weakness to the episodes I thought it was Jeffery Spender. He ended up being pretty much a pawn in everything. It almost makes him taking over the X-Files kind of a waste of time because of how one demensional of a character he was. Yeah he just wanted to find his mother, but it felt like the character should have been a whole lot more important than he ended up, especially being the son to CSM.

    I'm interested to see where the series goes from here. People have been saying that the series starts losing steam after season 5, yet I have really enjoyed season 6, maybe even moreso than Season 5, which I enjoyed more than Season 4. Actually if I were to rank the seasons so far, including the first half of season 6, it would be from favorite to least:

    Season 3
    Season 2
    Season 5
    First half of Season 6
    Season 4
    Season 1 (And I liked season 1)

    These were also the episodes I really wanted to get to, which is why I've really been on a binge of this series and kept this thread active recently. I started this series in December and while there have been ups and downs and frustrations, these two episodes felt like Season 2/3 quality episodes, in terms of the mythology.
     
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    I think they were running out of steam in 5 but they were still good, then they somehow got reinvigorated for 6, but as you have said, there's a different atmosphere, maybe that's what recharged them, now 7 is really running out of steam, but I don't want to say more now.
     
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    It seemed like the move to LA from Vancouver seemed to have a lot to do with it. That, and there was no movie filming during the season.
     
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    Each season has its ups and down. People say it lost its way after Season 5, but honestly, I think Season 6 is great. Does Season 6 have the episode "Triangle?" If so, that's one of my all-time favorite episodes.

    And though Season 7 is generally regarded as mediocre, I think Season 8 is one of the best seasons of the entire show!
     
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    Triangle was in season 6, and it's not really one of my favorites so far. It was good and creative, but it didn't really blow my mind or anything.
     
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    I love it mostly for the long extended scene of Scully running around the FBI building trying to get information, culminating in her kissing Skinner on the elevator. That whole thing just cracks me up.
     
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    I like that one, too.

    Unfortunately, it's another, did it even happen story, I could have been Mulder imagining it with a head injury, although Scully's part must really have happened, she did everything she could think of to save Mulder.
     
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    That was my favorite scene in the episode. :lol:
     
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    Monday

    X-Files does TNG's Cause and Effect mixed with Groundhog Day and does it extraordinary well. I loved this episode. From the first shot of Mulder's death in the teaser to the end this was very tense and exciting. I love how this episode dealt with Fate and if you can or cannot really escape from it. Everything they tried leaves them in the same position, facing death at the hands of the bomber inside the bank, until the person who knows everything that happens steps in and cheats fate. In 6 seasons of this show, I think I can safely say this is a top 10 episode.
     
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    GARAK WAS IN THE X-FILES? :eek:

    I've never seen Andrew J. Robinson in anything other than DS9, and it took so long to see what he really looked like under the Cardassian Make Up. I'm watching Alpha right now and that legitimately surprised me.
     
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    ...you've never seen Dirty Harry?
     
  19. tomalak301

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    No I have not.
     
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    Robinson has done a ton of stuff before DS9.