The Would-Be Season Five
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I keep wondering whether there's a third option here. Watching Enteprise, the philosophy I always come away with is how the future isn't fixed. So how about seeding stories with an arc that casts doubt on what we've already been shown? It strikes me that if done today, something would need to be done to make the outcome and fate of the characters unpredictable. I really enjoyed the book The Good Men That Men Do, having read it twice now but still feel the solution to TATV could've been more subtle.
Thanks to the TCW, the era is full of interference by the future. So what if a couple of important characters accidentally became aware of events in 2161? It's like that line of dialogue from Future Tense made by Trip: (from memory) "Supposing you looked into some future book and found out you're destined to fall in love with the girl of your dreams. Now, did you marry her for love or because some book told you to."
It's true enough, if Season 5 had been given a greenlight in Feb 2005 (instead of axing the show), there would have been no need for These Are The Voyages...
There was no need for TATV anyway. It was a poorly conceived, poorly written, poorly executed "high concept"ChristopherPike said:
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It's true enough, if Season 5 had been given a greenlight in Feb 2005 (instead of axing the show), there would have been no need for These Are The Voyages...
piece of garbage. I was one of those unfortunates who avoided the spoilers and so had no warning what a piece of tripe we were going to get, so my expectations (based on prior Trek finale experience) were pretty high. 
add in that the tech they had like the power conduits were probably damaged.
and it dosnt matter they were some 24th century borgs they were cut off from the collective with most of their ship and equipment destoryed with only as jinx pointed out whatever level of 22 century tech to work from.
it dosnt matter how formidable something is when its mostly built on technology.
damage and reduce the level of tech and a lot of its power is gone.
happy birthday christopher..
as for shran one way to make him a mostly regular character is to go ahead and create the commmissioners and make him one.
i just done see him being a member of the bridge crew after being captain of his own ship and for that matter an entire landing force in cease fire.
one way might have been for awhile have malcolm caught up in some section 31 stuff and shran agrees to be an emergecny replacement but i dont see it working beyond a few episodes.
as for shran one way to make him a mostly regular character is to go ahead and create the commmissioners and make him one.
i just done see him being a member of the bridge crew after being captain of his own ship and for that matter an entire landing force in cease fire.
one way might have been for awhile have malcolm caught up in some section 31 stuff and shran agrees to be an emergecny replacement but i dont see it working beyond a few episodes.
^ It's unlikely you'll ever see this material, the writer may want to keep it under wraps and submit it to Pocket Books. Making it available online would defeat that objective and leave it open to plagiarism.
Glad to know there is more material that wasn't first released by anyone before. Sounds very interesting about it all. I would have loved to have seen Shran on Enterprise . Maybe he was getting some Starfleet training and would be captain of an NX class starship during the Romulan War. I bet knowone really though about that one? It would have been nice to see some more of the Columbia too. Like a recurring role for them.
The Borg Queen idea sounds interesting and would of been nice but like everyone that has said on the forum, I'm not sure about it either. Would of been a nice backstory for the future Borg.
It would have also been nice to have seen Q and Guinan too, like it was mentioned.
The Borg Queen idea sounds interesting and would of been nice but like everyone that has said on the forum, I'm not sure about it either. Would of been a nice backstory for the future Borg.
It would have also been nice to have seen Q and Guinan too, like it was mentioned.
Definitely like this idea and visiting Denobula, but not sure about everything else -- especially Cloud Miners (which was one of the most boring TOS episodes imo). I'm also concerned about how they would've shown the characters and their interpersonal relationships. (They weren't as good of friends as they couldn't been, and something the writers should've focused on really to the exclusion of all other ideas. It's why TOS was so loved.)I was pretty disappointed with season 4 after all was said and done so voted: season five, but not this one.
My view is that the writers in seasons three and four realized that the characters weren't clicking with the audience and realized that if you aren't into the characters after two seasons then they couldn't do very much to change that.
So they focused on what could change--namely going from the small intimate character focused recycled stories from the first two seasons and instead using ENT to look at the bigger Trek picture by playing around with various pieces of Trek lore. The show in my opinion wisely became much more plot-driven and the ENT cast were used to advance the story. Archer, T'Pol and guest stars would become the focus(Shran, Soval, Degra, Soong, Valdore, V'Las, T'Pau, Riker).
So I think the writers based on these ideas in my opinion were on the right track by making ENT less its own series and more of a vehicle to do semi-anthology like stories that fleshed out elements from future series to great effect. It made ENT, a sorta middling series, become epic.
These ideas along with the Romulan War and Federation-building could have shifted the focus to such large-scale ideas that any issues with the main cast would become marginal once you start focusing on alien societies, politics, dynamics, machinations, histories, battles etc that would continue to displace the crew and capture the audience's imagination.
So they focused on what could change--namely going from the small intimate character focused recycled stories from the first two seasons and instead using ENT to look at the bigger Trek picture by playing around with various pieces of Trek lore. The show in my opinion wisely became much more plot-driven and the ENT cast were used to advance the story. Archer, T'Pol and guest stars would become the focus(Shran, Soval, Degra, Soong, Valdore, V'Las, T'Pau, Riker).
So I think the writers based on these ideas in my opinion were on the right track by making ENT less its own series and more of a vehicle to do semi-anthology like stories that fleshed out elements from future series to great effect. It made ENT, a sorta middling series, become epic.
These ideas along with the Romulan War and Federation-building could have shifted the focus to such large-scale ideas that any issues with the main cast would become marginal once you start focusing on alien societies, politics, dynamics, machinations, histories, battles etc that would continue to displace the crew and capture the audience's imagination.
Wasn't Manny the first one to actually let out about Season 5 in the first place? I remember reading and seeing some of the interview, plus what I read in the 24 magazine as well.
I thought they stunk did that part poorly. There may've been things to change, but I think they made the wrong changes. I think that's why ratings never recovered. It's a tough balance -- great characters and good story. My problem with the season 5 suggestions was a little of -- poor story ideas in some cases and not the "right" kind of character development.
Damn, it was a crime we got three seasons of diddling around and not THAT stuff. I like these:
I particularly like the idea that we'd get an explanation for the Vulcans being dicks about the warp drive thing. That rankled me from the first, and I was never happy to just accept it at face value. If the Vulcans are "dicks," they must have a logical reason.
...but I'm not so sure that I'd want the Borg Queen to be from Starfleet. Starfleet is not the center of the universe!
Treating Betazoids seriously, and not making them touchy-feely counselor types, is a great idea. Maybe they were specifically courted for Federation membership as Starfleet realizes what a strategic asset they'd be. They would make great diplomats, but even better spies. What if there were a Betazoid character who joined Section 31?
I like these:I particularly like the idea that we'd get an explanation for the Vulcans being dicks about the warp drive thing. That rankled me from the first, and I was never happy to just accept it at face value. If the Vulcans are "dicks," they must have a logical reason.
...but I'm not so sure that I'd want the Borg Queen to be from Starfleet. Starfleet is not the center of the universe!
Treating Betazoids seriously, and not making them touchy-feely counselor types, is a great idea. Maybe they were specifically courted for Federation membership as Starfleet realizes what a strategic asset they'd be. They would make great diplomats, but even better spies. What if there were a Betazoid character who joined Section 31?
Oh man, I'd have loved that season outline, with the exception of the Borg queen idea. It would have been worth it for the idea of T'Pol's father being Romulan alone.
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Instead, we got TATV.
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