The Wizards versus the "Muggles"

[paudemge]

This isn't really much different than most futuristic fighting, most future armies are pretty pathetic compared to modern armies, there are of course exceptions.

The viewer is usually just told that the 'future/fantastic' abilities are superior to modern weapons, but when actually compared to real life weapons that have miles of stand off capabilities, or high explosives the future/fantastic weapons look pretty weak.

 

[DarthTom]

Yes and this is why HP is fantasy. In the real world every teenager, drug addict, treasure hunter, amateur historian, and archeologist would be crawling all over Hogwarts, keeping the staff busy.

The work around to that problem is of course that the wizard world exists outside of our dimension and it wouldn't matter or not if they climbed all over the area.

An extra dimensional wizard universe permits two structures to exist within the same landscape. In HP6 we see a brick building within the muggle world expand so Harry and friends can enter. Presumably the building isn't really larger but the additional space exists outside of our space/time perception.

 

[Hound of UIster]

In any kind of fight, Mr Ak47 will triumph against Mr. Potter.

 

[Yminale]

The work around to that problem is of course that the wizard world exists outside of our dimension and it wouldn't matter or not if they climbed all over the area.

Well that's my point. According to JK Rowling, Hogwarts is not in an extra dimensional space. It's possible that Hogwarts is too big and only small areas the size of a few blocks can be hidden in that way.

 

[DarthTom]

Well that's my point. According to JK Rowling, Hogwarts is not in an extra dimensional space. It's possible that Hogwarts is too big and only small areas the size of a few blocks can be hidden in that way.

I see, so she rules out that possibility? So there are limits to how their magic can control perception?

 

[Agenda]

I think you'd see the muggles commandeer their own force of wizards to help counteract what the magical world has. All they have to do is bribe them. Everybody has a price.

 

[DarthTom]

In any kind of fight, Mr Ak47 will triumph against Mr. Potter.

If a wizard knew he was being fired upon I'd imagine they'd teleport themselves away form the line of fire. But as someone else said up thread a sniper fixes that problem.

 

[DarthTom]

I think you'd see the muggles commandeer their own force of wizards to help counteract what the magical world has. All they have to do is bribe them. Everybody has a price.

One of the advantages it would seem the muggles have outside of their sheer numerical advantage is bribery as you say? Presumably however wizards can even conjure up gold so what's of value to them that muggles would provide?

Also in a real war between the muggles and the wizards I'd assume the wizards would also take and use some of our technology against us?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Not to branch out into other franchises, but all I know is that if any tanks come rolling up against Gandalf, he'd shine that light at them and make it very difficult to drive if they didn't have sunglasses on. Greatest wizard ever.

 

[Yminale]

One of the advantages it would seem the muggles have outside of their sheer numerical advantage is bribery as you say? Presumably however wizards can even conjure up gold so what's of value to them that muggles would provide?

Also in a real war between the muggles and the wizards I'd assume the wizards would also take and use some of our technology against us?

Worse they could mind control heads of states and generals and take over whole armies.

BTW I think it's implied that Gold is one of the few items that can't be produced by magic and that's why it's used as money.

 

[DarthTom]

BTW I think it's implied that Gold is one of the few items that can't be produced by magic and that's why it's used as money.

In the final film there is a scene in which gold cups seem to be multiplying and replicating themselves by some magical force. It's unclear however exactly how that feat is achieved.

 

[Deckerd]

BTW I think it's implied that Gold is one of the few items that can't be produced by magic and that's why it's used as money.

In the final film there is a scene in which gold cups seem to be multiplying and replicating themselves by some magical force. It's unclear however exactly how that feat is achieved.

Off the top of my head I'd say it was done by magic.

 

[Yminale]

Not to branch out into other franchises, but all I know is that if any tanks come rolling up against Gandalf, he'd shine that light at them and make it very difficult to drive if they didn't have sunglasses on. Greatest wizard ever.

Well that depends on the light? If it's just visible light than a tank can switch to IR and still see Gandalf. Of course that doesn't stop the tank from launching smoke grenades to choke Gandalf or firing a burst from the machine gun in his general direction.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Numerically wizards would be outnumbered severely, and some of the modern world's technology would be quite deadly, but the wizards have the enormous advantage that they can be found basically only when they want to be. We'd have no obvious means of fighting them, given that, and they can mind control or kill basically anyone they want.

 

[DarthTom]

Off the top of my head I'd say it was done by magic.

Why are you being a smart ass? Have I done something to offend you?

One poster claims that gold cannot be magically recreated I'm refuting that claim with the final film and having not read the book it's unclear how exactly it's happening watching the movie but just creating an obstacle.

So was this magic conjured up by another wizard? By Valdemort? Whom?

 

[Lindley]

Pretty much a magical security system. I'd guess the "duplicates" weren't real gold, either.

 

[DarthTom]

Numerically wizards would be outnumbered severely, and some of the modern world's technology would be quite deadly, but the wizards have the enormous advantage that they can be found basically only when they want to be. We'd have no obvious means of fighting them, given that, and they can mind control or kill basically anyone they want.

It's not clear whether they can en mass mind control or not just individually. And as stated earlier, bribery may be a solution for muggles to wage a decent fight.

Also, terrorism tactics may also be plausible because there is no evidence to suggest that a wizard unaware that he / she is a target couldn't be killed by a bullet hence sniper fire.

 

[Yminale]

In the final film there is a scene in which gold cups seem to be multiplying and replicating themselves by some magical force. It's unclear however exactly how that feat is achieved.

Well the cups could be fakes with gold plate or gold paint.

 

[DarthTom]

Pretty much a magical security system. I'd guess the "duplicates" weren't real gold, either.

Possible. Biological weapons may be another way muggles could fight the wizards.

 

[Checkmate]

The first book was about an item that could turn base metals into gold. That was and always has been the primary purpose of the Philosopher's stone. Being able to create an elixir of life was a secondary trait.