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This is wrong. The War College was not on Earth because Earth left the Federation for 100 years. It's stated that the War College is what Starfleet Academy became in response to the after effects of the burn and it's implied via Lura Thok that all Starfleet officers were trained at the War College prior to the Academy reopening on FHQ in Disco Season 4.
The War College is not a separate entity from Starfleet Academy, they are the same organisation but they are just focused on different agendas. This is confirmed via the fact that the cadets from both organisations train together and the War College cadets obey orders given by Lura Thok in multiple scenes. It's also implied that Vance is who both Ake and Kelrec report to.
since i started watching starfleet academy
i was starting to wonder who invented war collage and when war collage started and was mentioned alot since episode 1
i was starting to wonder who invented war collage and when war collage started and was mentioned alot since episode 1
I mean, it's literally called the Starfleet War College, but no, maybe you're right, it totally operated on a planet which wasn't a Federation member and had expelled Starfleet from its solar system.
Snippiness aside, consider all graduates of the War College we've see so far are using naval ranks like the rest of Starfleet does while the EDF uses army ranks.
I don't trust this Earth planet.
I imagine it's an amalgamation of the tactician seen in Peak Performance, plus Andorian, and other cultures emphasizing martial prowess to support defense strategies.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the War College emphasizes deescalation, diplomacy, and the difference between war as a last resort versus a lifestyle.
Basically, the War College may be far more militant than Starfleet ever was and identify as soldiers but probably nicer than 90% of the militaries in the Post-Burn Era. After all, Admiral Vance is a product of this.
Starfleet Academy is probably way to the other end of the scale.
The goal would be to try to reach a middle ground of the War College's professionalism with Starfleet Academy's out of the box science thinking.
Basically, the War College may be far more militant than Starfleet ever was and identify as soldiers but probably nicer than 90% of the militaries in the Post-Burn Era. After all, Admiral Vance is a product of this.
Starfleet Academy is probably way to the other end of the scale.
The goal would be to try to reach a middle ground of the War College's professionalism with Starfleet Academy's out of the box science thinking.
I'm not so sure. Vance was pretty cynical and reactionary when we first meet him. Rayner was also very militant, partly because of his upbringing but also because of the stuff he had to deal with as a Starship Captain. Vance also says that he made a lot of bad calls as a Captain and also implies that he failed to support people when they needed him to. Vance only starts to relax once he starts working one on one with the Discovery crew.
In episode 2 they kept insisting on having "warships" around Betazed for protection, so presumably there is a more overt military and civilian divide, although we never really see that divide in Discovery.
It just seems like very odd lore though, because presumably you'd still want scientists to solve the burn since you can't expect the solution to be waiting for people from a 1000 years in the past to jump forward in time in order to save your society... so did they just give up on science altogether and leave that to civilians?
It just seems like very odd lore though, because presumably you'd still want scientists to solve the burn since you can't expect the solution to be waiting for people from a 1000 years in the past to jump forward in time in order to save your society... so did they just give up on science altogether and leave that to civilians?
I'm going to make a thread regarding this because it's an interesting question but my assumption is that it was a bunch of "one step at a time" decisions.
Well actually - what DID happen to the United Earth Defense Force?
Earth in SFA is barely different than that from ST09 or PIC.
Certainly very much not like in that one DISc season 3 episode.
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Earth in SFA is barely different than that from ST09 or PIC.
Certainly very much not like in that one DISc season 3 episode.
People of Earth (episode)
Reunited with Burnham, Discovery heads to Earth to find out what has happened to the Federation in the last thousand years. In a log entry set to be automatically transmitted if and when USS Discovery is ever found, Michael Burnham describes her year spent apart from the ship in the future, as...
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They invented it when supplies at the Combat Decoupage ran out.
Well actually - what DID happen to the United Earth Defense Force?
Earth in SFA is barely different than that from ST09 or PIC.
Certainly very much not like in that one DISc season 3 episode.
People of Earth (episode)
Reunited with Burnham, Discovery heads to Earth to find out what has happened to the Federation in the last thousand years. In a log entry set to be automatically transmitted if and when USS Discovery is ever found, Michael Burnham describes her year spent apart from the ship in the future, as...
The ending of that episode seemed to be that Earth didn't fall into chaos and madness but did completely isolate itself (we see a panning shot that it's still a beautiful world). So it's presumably the equivalent of Shogunate Japan in the Burn era or at least the popular conception of it.
Insane as it sounds, it seems like Earth and other places like it gave up on warp travel and only had impulse capable ships (and not even then since they didn't know they were at "war" with Titan).
Well, I'll begin with while acknowledging the fact that comics aren't canon, the writers of The Last Starship comic are depicting The Burn era and are in close contact with the Academy writer's room.
TLS depicted a cult of extremist Klingons attacking Earth after the Empire fell because of The Burn by detonating their warp cores above Earth's major population centers, resulting in Earth's withdrawal.
If one accepts this, then it is easy to see Earth focusing entirely inward and focusing on rebuilding.
TLS depicted a cult of extremist Klingons attacking Earth after the Empire fell because of The Burn by detonating their warp cores above Earth's major population centers, resulting in Earth's withdrawal.
If one accepts this, then it is easy to see Earth focusing entirely inward and focusing on rebuilding.
I didn't know it was related to the Burn so I hadn't picked it up.
Klytus: Will you destroy this...Earth?
Ming: Later. I like to play with things awhile before annihilation.
Issue #4 establishes that Earth gives Starfleet and the Federation fifty years to disconnect itself from Earth
And 20 years after The Burn, Earth begins to expel non-Earth citizens and appears to establish sanctuary districts for non-Humans to live in.
And 20 years after The Burn, Earth begins to expel non-Earth citizens and appears to establish sanctuary districts for non-Humans to live in.
Ooof. That's a lot worse than I expected from Earth.
Ironically, the kind of thing for my Burn thread.
Earth has been very disappointing lately.
And yet achingly and appropriately timely.
Also ironically, as I was just jumping from thread to thread in a rapid fire manner this morning, I'm pretty sure I thought that that was the thread I was responding to when I posted stuff about the comic.
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