The MACOs were assigned to the NX-01 at Archer's request, to enhance the ship's combat effectiveness for the Xindi mission.
The Montgomery Scott School of Engineering (And Distillery)I misheard and thought it was "Warp College", assuming it was the engineering school.
While watching episode 2, I assumed that both Starfleet Academy and the War College were around before The Burn, but only the War College stayed open when they didn't need as many officers. Maybe the War College was previously on a member world that stayed in the Federation.I cannot wait for SNW to retroactively put the War Collage in the 23rd century
Seriously, I don't really know what to make of it, it's so the cadets have an "enemy team" of cadets to play off of, I expected it'd be Red Squad or similar but they went with a war collage.
We know some Starfleet officers come through other schools like the Vulcan Science Academy, and it didn't seem like the San Francisco campus was large enough to train most of the officers on all the ships in previous series.
Others here seem to think it was established after the Burn. I don't think they've provided enough information yet to know.
Some context from Nahla's speech in Episode 2:
I figure they'll fill in more of the blanks as the season progresses.
Fair enough, for some reason I remembered an antagonist relationship between Starfleet and the MACOs but I haven’t seen the show since it aired.
That would actually be pretty interesting — an entire sub-campus dedicated to warp science research. After the Burn and its aftermath, that’s probably a pretty good idea!I misheard and thought it was "Warp College", assuming it was the engineering school.
I seem to remember, Archer had requested them. The antagonist relationship was between Malcolm Reed and Major Hayes. IMO Reed acted like he wanted to prove that the MACOs were not necessary, and were an intrusion into his authority as Armory Officer.
Ah yes, maybe that's what I'm remembering. I assume they were introduced with the ultimate idea of MACOs being dissolved anyway and those skills being incorporated into Starfleet.
Which I guess goes back to the question of why you'd need a military college again if the skills of the military are being taught at the Academy already for at least a couple of hundred years. It's possible pre-Burn that the civilian government wanted Starfleet to be more of a diplomatic and science based organization and forced a split? Canon Star Trek anyway has proven the best combat officers also understand physics and science to be able to use it as effectively in combat as their photon torpedoes, so it seems odd to de-emphasize that.
Hardy unusual that the military uses science,In the Kelvin timeline, a science officer specialized in advanced weaponry (Carol Marcus)
Jimmy Carter graduated from the US Naval Academy with a BS degree
Yes, because militaries are not just about killing. They use science and engineering and doctors and shit like that
Starfleet academy is established as having been decommissioned at the same time as the Federation left Earth and Earth withdrew from the Federation. The War college has been stated to be the replacement because Starfleet stopped missions of exploration had to shift focus to combat and defense. It's also been established that prior to season 4 of Discovery all Starfleet officers trained at the War College. The War College was most likely situated at Federation HQ given it also housed the governmental headquarters of the Federation.
Shh, you're destroying the entire basis for the "Not a Military" side of The Argument.
So I'll admit that NASA uses military people as its pilots... and some military people also get PhDs in like astrophysics or organic chemistry or whatever so they can fulfill both the mission commander and also mission specialist roles. But that's what? A percentage of a percentage of people in the world?
I've haven't looked at the numbers of civilians on NASA's post-moon missions, but I assume there have been more civilian PhDs and science experts on shuttle and ISS missions than there have been combined military-PhDs.
I guess we don't know if War College/Starfleet even still has divisions since it looks like everyone just takes the same classes and maybe people in 3100 are super geniuses and can cram several PhDs worth of knowledge in their heads so that they can both be military and combat experts, but also physics, biology, chemistry and math experts as well as doctors, nurses, engineers, linguists, anthropologists, sociologists, and whatever other specializations you might want on an outer space mission... but probably not?
I know the books aren't cannon, but the idea of having a Starfleet Corps of Engineers of people who just go around fixing shit makes sense. Even in a time of war, having engineers makes sense... but in this future, if an engineer can't climb a rope or run a lap, you'd disqualify him from joining your fleet and tell them to stick to serving drinks at the bar instead?
Heck... we know that there are still disabilities in this future given episode 2. So in a pre-Discovery world where people would still be looking for solutions to the Burn, presumably they disqualify anyone with a physical disability who can't pass their laser tag and rope climbing class, even if they may be their equivalent of Stephen Hawking?
I've haven't looked at the numbers of civilians on NASA's post-moon missions, but I assume there have been more civilian PhDs and science experts on shuttle and ISS missions than there have been combined military-PhDs.
I guess we don't know if War College/Starfleet even still has divisions since it looks like everyone just takes the same classes and maybe people in 3100 are super geniuses and can cram several PhDs worth of knowledge in their heads so that they can both be military and combat experts, but also physics, biology, chemistry and math experts as well as doctors, nurses, engineers, linguists, anthropologists, sociologists, and whatever other specializations you might want on an outer space mission... but probably not?
I know the books aren't cannon, but the idea of having a Starfleet Corps of Engineers of people who just go around fixing shit makes sense. Even in a time of war, having engineers makes sense... but in this future, if an engineer can't climb a rope or run a lap, you'd disqualify him from joining your fleet and tell them to stick to serving drinks at the bar instead?
Heck... we know that there are still disabilities in this future given episode 2. So in a pre-Discovery world where people would still be looking for solutions to the Burn, presumably they disqualify anyone with a physical disability who can't pass their laser tag and rope climbing class, even if they may be their equivalent of Stephen Hawking?
While you are correct that books aren't canon, the Starfleet Corps of Engineers is itself canon, having been mentioned at least twice onscreen, in TWOK and Voyager's Non Sequitur.
At least it brings us a Romeo and Juliet love story
tamira and caleb lol
they are more like serena van der woodsen and dan humprey from gossip girl
Never seen it.
lol oh ok
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